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Old 01-29-2014, 12:57 AM   #91
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Thank you! Good advice but I have a minor problem with the part about disarming and rendering help.
Looking at it legally, if I'm scared enough to shoot I'm not getting anywhere near that person. Not to disarm them, not to render aid. I'm too scared. Scared people don't get Close to the things they are scared of.
Not saying it's bad advice, I'm just saying not for me.

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Old 01-29-2014, 01:30 AM   #92
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Great read all the way thru this thread. Thank You for the info everyone.

At a recent Concealed Weapon multi-state training, the instructor spoke on this and also included the fact that one of the real stingers nowadays is in the event you kill someone in defense, the legal $$ comes in defending yourself from a lawsuit brought on you by the perp's family. I think some states have a protection factor on this but not sure on others. I was amazed at this but I guess it is in fact quite an issue.

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Thank you very good read


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If I feel a need to shoot someone in self defense or home/family defense, I figure no matter what else happens I saved my skin or my family's skin. Fear of losing my weapon short term or forever, or having to be detained short term or getting sued by the perp's family will NOT be a factor in deciding to protect self and loved ones. I hope what I am thinking about is shooting straight and popping off rounds until the perp(s) are on the ground. In which case I'll give them a band-aid

I have no interest in playing 'Captain America' and stopping a bank robbery or a convenience store holdup. Anyone who carries for that reason is in my opinion more of a danger to society than a help. One thing that really rang true back when I took CCW training is that anything other than self defense or family/castle defense is apt to have you shooting the wrong person or for the wrong reason. I suppose if someone was blasting away I might get involved but that rarely is the intention of a robber. They say give them what they want is the best thing to do, they typically want to be outta there asap. If you shoot the guy in the back as they are fleeing that is most definitely NOT self defense

The example they gave was of a situation where you see a woman in a car, and a man standing next to the window pointing a gun at her screaming for her to get out. You make the assumption he is car-jacking the poor woman and shoot him dead. It turns out she is stealing the car from him and he was trying to stop her. THAT's why you carry - to save your own a**, not someone else's. You want to protect citizens, become a LEO

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If I feel a need to shoot someone in self defense or home/family defense, I figure no matter what else happens I saved my skin or my family's skin. Fear of losing my weapon short term or forever, or having to be detained short term or getting sued by the perp's family will NOT be a factor in deciding to protect self and loved ones. I hope what I am thinking about is shooting straight and popping off rounds until the perp(s) are on the ground. In which case I'll give them a band-aid

I have no interest in playing 'Captain America' and stopping a bank robbery or a convenience store holdup. Anyone who carries for that reason is in my opinion more of a danger to society than a help. One thing that really rang true back when I took CCW training is that anything other than self defense or family/castle defense is apt to have you shooting the wrong person or for the wrong reason. I suppose if someone was blasting away I might get involved but that rarely is the intention of a robber. They say give them what they want is the best thing to do, they typically want to be outta there asap. If you shoot the guy in the back as they are fleeing that is most definitely NOT self defense

The example they gave was of a situation where you see a woman in a car, and a man standing next to the window pointing a gun at her screaming for her to get out. You make the assumption he is car-jacking the poor woman and shoot him dead. It turns out she is stealing the car from him and he was trying to stop her. THAT's why you carry - to save your own a**, not someone else's. You want to protect citizens, become a LEO
Excellent post. I once used an example of hearing a woman scream behind a building and finding her nude with a man on top of her. Is she getting raped, or is it a husband and wife satisfying their kinky side? A reasonable person would believe he was raping her, but what if...? In criminal court the reasonable man argument might hold up, but could you live with yourself if you were wrong?

That's something so many of these Rambo wannabes don't consider. They get a gun and they're suddenly out to save the world. They spout the "legal" argument backwards and forwards, but they forget about the moral side of it. If they have any conscience at all they will regret shooting someone for the rest of their lives. Make it a bad shooting and it's even worse. With protecting yourself or your family you can at least justify taking another person's life. You'll still feel like chit, but at least there was a good solid reason behind your regret.
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Great read, Cane...thanks

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THANK YOU for this thread. It is a must read.


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Great thread

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Don't post it until you hear back from Canebrake. I am bringing this to his attention. He's been busy but he'll get back to you.
I would like to do the same thing and will also wait to get permission. I would like to post it to my own Facebook, with attribution of course and I also run the West Central Illinois Friends of NRA Facebook page and web site. This post would be of interest to our members as well. I also expect it would bring traffic and new members here. I'll wait to here more... Thanks - Dave
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In California there is a specific CCW class you need to take for the LTC, which I just finished. Massad Ayoob videos factor large in the class. He covers a lot of ground on this topic.

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