Originally Posted by WillBender
Abide by laws?? I understand if its your private property of your home, that's completely different . But a store no. I can take my weapon in and out if a school as feel necessary. And you for get to set the rules. When you open a business you abide by the rules already set in place. Like any public building. Like I said you can refuse service and ask me to leave but if its not for a legit reason prepare for a court hearing because its the law. This has nothing to do with respecting others rights. The only rights that are being discussed are the carriers. It is my right as a law abiding citizen to carry a concealed handgun here I please, give or take a few obvious places. It's the law. You can make all the rules you want but the truth is that the law says I am able to. And I don think your going to personally search every person so if us as cc's do our job at concealing you won't even know, and it doesn't even have to be concealed. I can open carry in any building as long as I have my permit as well. I am not saying I don't understand what you are getting at, but your telling me that any building you see that says no weapons allowed your not going to go in even though you know you have the legal right to?
Wiilbender you would be wrong again. the property owner of any establishment has the right to refuse service and entrance to anyone for any reason they want. and you say the only rights are being discussed are the those who carry, well what about the rights of the property owner?
state may say you have the right to carry and i'm not saying you don't, but a business isn't obligated to follow those laws if they don't want someone carrying on their premises, and that's a fact whether you like it or not. permit or not, if a person doesn't want you to carry on their premises, then you are violating the law, and that's a fact as well.
the rights of a property owner trump your right to carry. simply put, yes state says you have the right to carry if you have a permit, but any property owner whether open to the public or not has the right to refuse you to carry on their premises if they so choose to.
kind of like drinking. as long as you're over the age of 21 then you can legally buy and drink alcoholic beverages. now now if you decide to drive under the influence and are intoxicated, then you have broken the law. nobody has told you can't drink, but you can't drink and drive and be legal if you are intoxicated. so nobody has infringed your right to drink, but driving drunk you ae infringing on everyone else's rights to reasonable expectation of safety.