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Old 02-21-2013, 03:00 AM   #11
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i will add my opinion, that a property owners rights trump your rights to carry into their property. i have been flamed several times for this opinion, but i will stand by it and not be moved. if a business owner doesn't want people carrying into their establishment, then respect their rights. either don't carry or do business elsewhere is my position. vote with your wallet, but respect others rights if you want your rights respected.
Well I can agree with your opinion in partial. But if you are a private business owner you are giving up your right to privacy when your stores are public. It doesn't matter if they dont allow it or not you can still conceal in any public building. In oregon that is. And I'm sure a private shop owner can refuse to serve you. But in any right minded citizen that is law abiding and has concealed handgun we will assume that the shop owner will never know because you are doing our job at concealing. However if he or she were I find out they can refuse service but the law still state you can carry in any public building.
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Well I can agree with your opinion in partial. But if you are a private business owner you are giving up your right to privacy when your stores are public. It doesn't matter if they dont allow it or not you can still conceal in any public building. In oregon that is. And I'm sure a private shop owner can refuse to serve you. But in any right minded citizen that is law abiding and has concealed handgun we will assume that the shop owner will never know because you are doing our job at concealing. However if he or she were I find out they can refuse service but the law still state you can carry in any public building.
True but the law also states they can make you leave their establishment as well...
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True but the law also states they can make you leave their establishment as well...
Well as any private business could I guess. But not because of your weapon. It would have to be a nusence or something else. But that brings me back to cocealing. In my opinion if someone finds out you have a gun and they kick you out or something your not doin our part. All being said its not against the law. So I guess pick your fights and make sure your concealing properly right?
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Axx55 is correct in my opinion. It is difficult to argue for the personal freedom attached to firearms but deny property rights to another citizen.
Is it illegal to shop while carrying a 12 pound decayed Tuna? Maybe not, but you would be expected to leave the store when asked. You can not hid the smell of a fish. You can with only a little imagination conceal a handgun from sight.

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Most states allow a business to "ask you to leave" the premise if they disallow carrying. If you refuse, then you can be forcibly removed by LE, and in some states charged with a crime. I know I just read about it all here in GA. You can carry in a bar as long as you aren't drinking. You cannot carry in any Government occupied building, such as but not limited to court houses, post offices, Police Depts, County Admin buildings (they actually have a sign on the door which strictly forbids guns, knives, etc) and the likes. You are not prohibited from carrying in a Hospital here unless it is a Hospital that houses mental health patients who can check themselves in (why that particular, I have no idea) You are also required to leave if asked from a private business. However, GA is pretty gun friendly and I've never seen a business with a no conceal carry sign here. Schools have a special section, that you can drive through and pick up your child as long as you don't park or exit your car.

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Axx55 is correct in my opinion. It is difficult to argue for the personal freedom attached to firearms but deny property rights to another citizen.
Is it illegal to shop while carrying a 12 pound decayed Tuna? Maybe not, but you would be expected to leave the store when asked. You can not hid the smell of a fish. You can with only a little imagination conceal a handgun from sight.
It is law that you can enter any public building with your concealed weapons in Oregon. In my opinion I don't think any person is going to stop you. Law abiding citizen, not hurting a soul. However if that place says they have the right to refuse service to anyone and ask you to leave I don't see an issue. Just leave. But I don't see anyone saying that unless you give them a reason am I right?
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Most states allow a business to "ask you to leave" the premise if they disallow carrying. If you refuse, then you can be forcibly removed by LE, and in some states charged with a crime. I know I just read about it all here in GA. You can carry in a bar as long as you aren't drinking. You cannot carry in any Government occupied building, such as but not limited to court houses, post offices, Police Depts, County Admin buildings (they actually have a sign on the door which strictly forbids guns, knives, etc) and the likes. You are not prohibited from carrying in a Hospital here unless it is a Hospital that houses mental health patients who can check themselves in (why that particular, I have no idea) You are also required to leave if asked from a private business. However, GA is pretty gun friendly and I've never seen a business with a no conceal carry sign here. Schools have a special section, that you can drive through and pick up your child as long as you don't park or exit your car.
Same in Oregon but not federal buildings. Police departments are public. But they still have signs saying no weapons even with a permit? Check this out. Very interesting and good to know. http://www.oregonfirearms.org/chl-central/prohibited-places
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Well I can agree with your opinion in partial. But if you are a private business owner you are giving up your right to privacy when your stores are public. It doesn't matter if they dont allow it or not you can still conceal in any public building. In oregon that is. And I'm sure a private shop owner can refuse to serve you. But in any right minded citizen that is law abiding and has concealed handgun we will assume that the shop owner will never know because you are doing our job at concealing. However if he or she were I find out they can refuse service but the law still state you can carry in any public building.
if i own a business and i pay the bills, the utilities, taxes and rent or mortgage, even i am open to the public, it's still my property and i get to set the rules not you or anyone else, period. on my property i would remove you, or have you removed. private property is still private propert even if open to the public and when you feel your rights to carry supercede my property rights as an owner, then own home becomes an open book allowing anyone to do as they please. it's about respecting others rights if you want them to respect your rights. if you are not going to respect a property owners rights, then why should he respect your right to carry? it also sets a bad example as gun owners to others, them thinking we don't have to abide by laws or need to respect other rights.
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if i own a business and i pay the bills, the utilities, taxes and rent or mortgage, even i am open to the public, it's still my property and i get to set the rules not you or anyone else, period. on my property i would remove you, or have you removed. private property is still private propert even if open to the public and when you feel your rights to carry supercede my property rights as an owner, then own home becomes an open book allowing anyone to do as they please. it's about respecting others rights if you want them to respect your rights. if you are not going to respect a property owners rights, then why should he respect your right to carry? it also sets a bad example as gun owners to others, them thinking we don't have to abide by laws or need to respect other rights.
Abide by laws?? I understand if its your private property of your home, that's completely different . But a store no. I can take my weapon in and out if a school as feel necessary. And you for get to set the rules. When you open a business you abide by the rules already set in place. Like any public building. Like I said you can refuse service and ask me to leave but if its not for a legit reason prepare for a court hearing because its the law. This has nothing to do with respecting others rights. The only rights that are being discussed are the carriers. It is my right as a law abiding citizen to carry a concealed handgun here I please, give or take a few obvious places. It's the law. You can make all the rules you want but the truth is that the law says I am able to. And I don think your going to personally search every person so if us as cc's do our job at concealing you won't even know, and it doesn't even have to be concealed. I can open carry in any building as long as I have my permit as well. I am not saying I don't understand what you are getting at, but your telling me that any building you see that says no weapons allowed your not going to go in even though you know you have the legal right to?
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Abide by laws?? I understand if its your private property of your home, that's completely different . But a store no. I can take my weapon in and out if a school as feel necessary. And you for get to set the rules. When you open a business you abide by the rules already set in place. Like any public building. Like I said you can refuse service and ask me to leave but if its not for a legit reason prepare for a court hearing because its the law. This has nothing to do with respecting others rights. The only rights that are being discussed are the carriers. It is my right as a law abiding citizen to carry a concealed handgun here I please, give or take a few obvious places. It's the law. You can make all the rules you want but the truth is that the law says I am able to. And I don think your going to personally search every person so if us as cc's do our job at concealing you won't even know, and it doesn't even have to be concealed. I can open carry in any building as long as I have my permit as well. I am not saying I don't understand what you are getting at, but your telling me that any building you see that says no weapons allowed your not going to go in even though you know you have the legal right to?
It's a right to carry. It's each persons RESPONSIBILITY to carry in a RESPONSIBLE way, you are RESPONSIBLE for how each of these scenarios in a public place go down. If done properly, Nobody should even know you are armed....Bonus huh...Not only do you get the jump on a bad guy, you don't get the looks from grandma of fear. I don't see the need for some people to get all radical about this issue. IT'S MY RIGHT! As he is carrying an AK down the road (If you haven't seen the video...YouTube it.). I believe some gun rights have improved such as concealed carry in how many states now?? No need to test the patience of the public that doesn't have the same outlook as you "Mr. Ak" guy. Get a Krink and tuck that under a leather coat if you wanna test your right to carry. Anyway my point is.....well nevermind.
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