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Old 03-09-2013, 05:58 PM   #151
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Axxe , I admire your patience for carrying the flag for those of us that try to use a little common sense and respect the rights of others. I fear though you are pizzing into the wind and burning electrons to no avail. There are always people that will use confrontation and ARGUE that their way is the only way. Or use twisted logic or what ifs to defeat what should be straight forward consideration and respect for another law-abiding citizens desires.
Yeah- plus the fact there will always be those who are convinced that THEIR rights are MUCH more important & enforceable than any other law abiding citizens
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Yeah- plus the fact there will always be those who are convinced that THEIR rights are MUCH more important & enforceable than any other law abiding citizens
that is pretty much exactly the way i see it. it boils down to respecting other rights. and how can someone expect others to respect their rights, when they refuse to respect those of others. IMO, you cant.

respect is two way street. you get respect by giving respect. very simple.
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that is pretty much exactly the way i see it. it boils down to respecting other rights. and how can someone expect others to respect their rights, when they refuse to respect those of others. IMO, you cant.

respect is two way street. you get respect by giving respect. very simple.
It SHOULD be that simple----
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It SHOULD be that simple----
it is if you follow the Golden Rule. treat others as you wish to be treated.

common sense and reason. something some seem to be lacking this day and age Hossfly.
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that is pretty much exactly the way i see it. it boils down to respecting other rights. and how can someone expect others to respect their rights, when they refuse to respect those of others. IMO, you cant.

respect is two way street. you get respect by giving respect. very simple.
I was under the impression that those signs only have force of law in states that have laws written in which they say they carry force of law,these provisions are usually followed by guidelines and rules dictating what exactly the signs must look like and say to be considered law.

My state has such a law,many others do as well. And some do not.
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I was under the impression that those signs only have force of law in states that have laws written in which they say they carry force of law,these provisions are usually followed by guidelines and rules dictating what exactly the signs must look like and say to be considered law.

My state has such a law,many others do as well. And some do not.
the weight of the law and what the owner is trying to convey, even if his sign isn't legal, may be tow different things, but even if his sign isn't legal by the states legal statutes, i think his message is pretty clear and his rights should be respected as a property owner. just how i feel about it.
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Exactly. To paraphrase you: what is law and what is common sense consideration may not be the same.
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the weight of the law and what the owner is trying to convey, even if his sign isn't legal, may be tow different things, but even if his sign isn't legal by the states legal statutes, i think his message is pretty clear and his rights should be respected as a property owner. Just how i feel about it.
it doesn't matter of the sign is legal or not - if there is a sign, respect the owners wishes. Can't you understand that simple concept. He doesn't want your business if it means allowing guns on his property. How hard is that to understand ?
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it doesn't matter of the sign is legal or not - if there is a sign, respect the owners wishes. Can't you understand that simple concept. He doesn't want your business if it means allowing guns on his property. How hard is that to understand ?
I didnt know we were arguing ethics,I thought it was simply a topic of legality we were discussing.

And I do respect the right of shopowners to disregard my right to self defense while in their establishment by simply not using their service or doing business with them.
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no sir, you're quite wrong again! even if it's not a law, you are still disrespecting another persons rights and wishes. if they have a sign whether it be no guns allowed or no trespassing, you know in your mind that you are doing something wrong. you know they don't want firearms on there premises and you know it's not your property. so like i said you twist all the facts around and rationalize and justify it anyway you want to, but you know that it's wrong.

in Texas, i don't even have to ask you to leave. i pick the phone up, make a call and you get a free trip to the county lock-up. that's a fact. delude yourself into believing what ever makes fou feel better.
Im not wrong. It is now a law! As you said it was.
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