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Old 03-24-2010, 12:42 AM   #21
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Golden rule time, kiddies. If you can't discuss and debate without the flames, you will be given either a time out or flat out banned. Everyone here is an adult. ACT like it.

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2hot2handle isn't an adult. Na na na boo boo. lol

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Darin put his thoughts on it, so that is one LEO.

I agree NGIB that robo needs to stop in. It would be better if there were reply after reply from all the LEOs here, just a thought. Think about it, if all the next few threads there from robo, scubie, Glass, Brad (new SM)--just off the top of my head. I know there are others.
I should explain from my perspective a bit more. If you are printing, technically you're not concealed but here again every situation has to be judged individually and by its own merit. As a cop you can come across many different situations that will play out very differently.

Some guy who is walking around the mall stretching his arms to "pull" his shirt up, putting his hand on the gun and pretty much making every effort to advertise that he is carrying a gun, is completely different than a man who bends over to pick up his keys and the grip becomes pronounced through his shirt.

Just the same as a guy wearing a tight fitting shirt that he obviously knew outlined his carry versus a guy who is wearing a shirt that shows a slight bulge on his side.

There is no way to "stamp" a one size fits all answer when the circumstances can be so subjective. It depends on the cop, the person, their attitude, the efforts or lack there of to conceal the weapon, etc.

Sorry for the black and white rant earlier, I was more addressing the person and not the question from the OP.

I hope this sheds some light on the subject.

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If you are printing while carrying concealed and have no problem with that then you are showing off.

Grow up and follow the intent of concealed carry.

If you need to show off, you do not have the maturity or the intelligence to qualify to be licensed to participate in this activity. And I don't want you walking down the same street that I, or my family may be on!

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I do frequently discuss matters like this with friends and relatives who are lawyers, judges, and district attorneys. I do my best to be as informed as possible about legal requirements for carrying concealed, s.d., etc.
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So no laws have posted to support all of the opinions...interesting.

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So no laws have posted to support all of the opinions...interesting.
OK, let me put this in small words and very simple terms:

If your concealed gun is printing - it is not concealed...
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So no laws have posted to support all of the opinions...interesting.
I guess it's just easier for us to do the research for you? Just easier to ask the question in a firearms forum?
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First of all, I will review all posts made in this thread and mete out disciplinary action as I see fit. EVERYONE needs to remain civil, period.

You want some law quoted?

Texas Penal Code
Sec. 46.035 (a)

A license holder commits an offense if the license holder carries a handgun on or about the license holder's person under the authority of Subchapter H, Chapter 411, Government Code (the Concealed Handgun law) and intentionally fails to conceal the handgun.

Some major questions one could have are;

1. What is concealed? Subchapter H defines (3) "Concealed handgun" means a handgun, the presence of which is not openly discernable to the ordinary observation of a reasonable person.

So, is printing the same as not concealed? I believe the answer may be yes. It depends a bit on interpretation and degree.

2. What is intentionally? The Texas Penal Code defines it as follows; Sec. 6.03(a) A person acts intentionally, or with intent, with respect to the nature of his conduct or to a result of his conduct when it is his conscious objective or desire to engage in the conduct or cause the result.

So, to make this a crime IN TEXAS you must satisfy ALL elements of the offense. If it cannot be proven you INTENDED to "print" then you do not have an offense. Texas has another Culpable Mental State called "Reckless". It is a lesser Mental State to Intentional. One could reasonably conclude that mere printing is reckless but not intentional and therefore not an offense. IF a person was printing and was warned that he was doing so AND did nothing to rectify the situation, one MAY be able to make a case that he was then engaging in an intentional act because he failed to correct the reckless act.

Remember, this is just Texas law and no bearing whatsoever on any other state's laws.

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