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Old 07-20-2011, 02:15 PM   #11
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If you want to carry a gun around me and my faily, and you are a law-abiding individual with no criminal record or history of substance abuse, I'm fine with it but I still want some proof that you know how to handle and shoot it safely and have an understanding of when you can and cannot discharge it. That's just common sense in the real world. If we're supposed to be more responsible and law-abiding than the average citizen, as gunnies love to claim, then it's impossible to argue against allowing untrained individuals or those with shady pasts into our midst.

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IMO, the old days had fathers that would teach the children how to use firearms safely. Since in many cases that does not happen anymore, some sort of training should be required. Hell, make it a middle school class. :-)

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This thread is 3 years old. But its still relevent.

Study after study has shown that states which have mandatory training have the same amount of negligent discharge as states with no training requirment. It all boils down to individual responsibility.

Training requirements just throw roadblocks in the way of liberty. If left to their own devices people will and do seek training.

Im not totally against permiting as it gives the police and citizen a means of quickly proving the individual is probably not a prohibited person.

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I think once you get a background and you PASS then it should be up to you how you want to carry it and another thing I dont like is the WAITING PERIOD in WIS.it 48 hrs and I thought this INSTENT CHECK was to be in place for handguns in the early 90's wasent that a bill that the NRA had passed?.

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The waiting period thing makes no sense to me. Ive already got a safe full of handguns...

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There is no way to slice mandated training and it not be an infringement on your, my, everybody's rights.
I've done a lot of searching, and can find exactly zero evidence that mandatory training decreases negligence. IIRC some States' mandatory training is a written test that has no reqirement to show competence manipulating a firearm.
Mandated training is another .gov control. Another hurdle to jump. Nothing more.

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The waiting period thing makes no sense to me. Ive already got a safe full of handguns...
dont have any yet but I have to make two round trips to pick it up after the WAITING GAME IS OVER! and gas is NOT cheap!
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As I said in other threads:

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I would consider myself more of a "purist".

The 2nd Amendment already gives us the right to carry openly or concealed. Whether we actually DO carry openly or concealed... or carry at all should be up to us, as individuals. I support ANY legislation that gives BACK our RIGHTS, whether it aligns with my preference or not.

The 2nd Amendment doesn't say things like, "The right to bear hunting rifles only", or "Right to bear concealed handguns", etc. It says our right to bear ARMS shall not be infringed. It doesn't say we can't have machine guns, or silencers, etc.

The fact that we have to ask "permission" to carry concealed here in Texas is appalling to me. The fact that open carry isn't "allowed" is equally appalling.

I'm not championing the cause of open carry because I WANT to open carry... I'm just supporting chiseling away the laws that took our Constitutionally guaranteed rights away.
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All that said, I believe training should be mandated by PARENTS, not the government. Parents should be teaching their kids firearm safety AND marksmanship. Of course, that means the PARENTS should already know because they should've been taught by THEIR parents.

Since the majority of today's society has gotten away from this country's heritage, unfortunately, most parents don't have a clue.

The good news is there is a grass-roots organization to help restore America's hertiage: Project Appleseed Home

Parents who don't attend with their children are just bad parents.
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I disagree. I'm a hunter's ed instructor, and very little of the class is about "gun safety"... it's more about being an ethical hunter and obeying the hunting laws. Not saying there's NO "gun safety", but it's not enough of what *I* would consider to be sufficient to truly teach people to truly be safe with guns.

Law enforcement is a profession of arms. Soldiers, also, receive mandatory firearms training because they are professionals. Both are PAID to take up arms.

...the PRIMARY reason cops are required to receive firearms training is for LIABILITY reasons. The majority of agencies with less than 25 officers only provide the minimum man hours and ammo. It's only the larger agencies that will fork out a LITTLE extra for their officers. For example, in the last SOP I read from El Paso County S.O. only allows 50 rounds a month for their deputies to practice with on the range.

It's time the government stopped trying to "protect us from ourselves". If an individual wants to take on the PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY of carrying, then he/she should take on the PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY to get proper training. If something bad happens because they were negligent, then punish them. Don't force the rest of us to PAY for our rights. The 2nd amendment doesn't guarantee us the right to bear arms if we pay the proper fees and take the required training... it simply guarantees us the right. Period.
It's not like we're beating a dead horse around here...
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18 months of mandatory military service for every American Citizen at age 18.
Wallah... everyone is trained.
...Although the going trend is to abolish mandatory conscription like France and Germany have done fairly recently.


Here's another idea. Add firearm safety training as a class in public highschools... everyone gets trained.

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