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Old 12-17-2012, 05:07 PM   #11
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I see both sides of the equation. if you are a business owner, you are not guaranteed a paycheck for punching the clock and putting your 40 hours in. Your paycheck depends on customers giving you money in trade for merchandise that you have on the shelves, or performing whatever service it is that you do.

If a lawfully licensed conceal carry holder is so lazy with his CONCEALED weapon, that it can be seen by the business owner and every other customer in the place...and it starts scaring customers away because they're afraid of guns, guess what? you as the business owner are watching dollars walk out of your front door, and going across the street to your competition.

I don't see this as anything to do with a barney fife complex. If the gun was visible and the store owner saw it, you can bet that other customers saw it too. if the store owner just quietly says "hey you're showing" and the customer sees that the business owner "didn't do anything about it" then they may still walk right out the door. but if the business owner says 'hey man, go back outside, re-conceal or put it in the car' and other customers see the guy leave, then come back, they will probably assume that the guy put it in his car, and that there's no more weapons in the store.

at the end of the day, CONCEALED means CONCEALED. If the CCW holder took his obligation a little more seriously and made sure it was concealed, then this is a non-issue, because the other customers, and the business owner will not know that the CCW holder is carrying.

Again, this is not a barney fife complex, or an issue of putting down your fellow "brothers" for carrying a weapon, instead, it's an issue of the CCW holder being lazy and sloppy with his concealment. Why defend him? I've read another thread on here where someone's wife bumped into a man at a chick-fil-a and noticed he was carrying, and she said 'oh, you're carrying' The guy responded back with "100% of the time" and everyone here was calling HIM a "barney fife who thinks he's gods gift to society and needs to learn to respect the CCW and not walk around like a mall rent-a-cop who thinks he's SWAT"
Someone gets it. They do exist! Lol well put.
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Old 12-17-2012, 08:27 PM   #12
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If a business owner posts a 30.06 sign and notices a customer who is carrying it is his right to have the man arrested for trespass. Most that I've heard of will simply request the carrier to be "more careful" about concealing it and maybe issue a request he not bring it back, under implied threat of arrest. However, so many of the businesses I've seen that posted prohibitions have seen the light and removed their signs.
You talk about being lazy about CC but I don't think it's anything about laziness. If there is a sign, and you don't want to leave your piece in the car, you ARE going to scrupulously conceal it. They don't want to be arrested by letting ANYONE know you have it. AND THEY WON'T. Ask many of us who do carry how 30.06 signs are handled. Time is spent talking with some of those owners who don't have a clue and they never have any idea they are talking with an armed person.
You also exclaim "and every other customer in the place" (liken this to Chicken Little screaming "THE SKY IS FLALING").... C'Mon, Barney, GET REAL. You sound like those on the womens tv shows who want to ban all guns. What you say is irrational and you know it.
There might be some who will walk out bcuz they saw "someone" with a gun in the store but realistically, NOT MANY, if any, will do that. And we also know they will be back. It's called human nature.
You also infer that anyone who carries 100% is Barney Fife. Do YOU EVER carry ? So when you do, then YOU are playing that same BF. Again, get real.

Ohio law protects open carry by virtue of ORC 9.68 which preempts any municipal laws prohibiting the act. This means no municipality may prohibit said carry. There are at least 2 cities/municipalities in Ohio that have gotten "slapped down" for their attempt to regulate this.

Waiting periods are totally different from ANY carry law.

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The laziness he spoke of appears to've been in direct reference to the instance I first spoke of. It ended there, no inferring.

The inferences truly appear to be only yours. You seem to lack the reading comprehension required that of a grammar school grad. I now see what they call a troll. You've been looking for a fight since you entered this thread. Reading into things and replying as they suit your agenda.

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If a business owner posts a 30.06 sign and notices a customer who is carrying it is his right to have the man arrested for trespass. Most that I've heard of will simply request the carrier to be "more careful" about concealing it and maybe issue a request he not bring it back, under implied threat of arrest. However, so many of the businesses I've seen that posted prohibitions have seen the light and removed their signs.
You talk about being lazy about CC but I don't think it's anything about laziness. If there is a sign, and you don't want to leave your piece in the car, you ARE going to scrupulously conceal it. They don't want to be arrested by letting ANYONE know you have it. AND THEY WON'T. Ask many of us who do carry how 30.06 signs are handled. Time is spent talking with some of those owners who don't have a clue and they never have any idea they are talking with an armed person.
You also exclaim "and every other customer in the place" (liken this to Chicken Little screaming "THE SKY IS FLALING").... C'Mon, Barney, GET REAL. You sound like those on the womens tv shows who want to ban all guns. What you say is irrational and you know it.
There might be some who will walk out bcuz they saw "someone" with a gun in the store but realistically, NOT MANY, if any, will do that. And we also know they will be back. It's called human nature.
You also infer that anyone who carries 100% is Barney Fife. Do YOU EVER carry ? So when you do, then YOU are playing that same BF. Again, get real.

Ohio law protects open carry by virtue of ORC 9.68 which preempts any municipal laws prohibiting the act. This means no municipality may prohibit said carry. There are at least 2 cities/municipalities in Ohio that have gotten "slapped down" for their attempt to regulate this.

Waiting periods are totally different from ANY carry law.
I could bewrong here, but i don't think you know what you're talking about and speak in absurd generalities that have no backing, not even logic.

Here's the facts, I work in a retail environment, have had, as stated, encountered 3 such instances where a person came in with firearm. I saw how the customers reacted with the first, this was before I knew of the corporate policy. My boss pulled me aside and informed me and let me inform him. I did so, he recited state law and I recited company policy. He got self righteous and indignant about it (just like you appear to be doing) and I refused him service proudly. This is the type of person that gives us a bad name.

Second was the Marshall. It's not the children who react, it's the protective parents who react, in every situation. Kids are curious and not smart enough to know to be afraid of and respect the power of guns. How could you not realize this? He was respectful and understanding. He reacted accordingly and continued to do business as a rational minded human being would.

Third was the trailer trash with the XD grip sticking half way out his pocket. He too decided to recite state law, it's amazing how ignorant people are too what little state law really covers in the private sector. I told this guy all he had to do was just push it in while he was in the store. A more than reasonable request. Here there were no other customers in the store, but anyone who would've walked in could easily have seen it and in yuppville liberal central where I work it would be considered threatening. I don't blame anyone. I consider open carry an aggressive action looking for trouble in a city environment.
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I recently read that open carry is legal in my state.

I am a strong advocate for concealed carry. I feel that all that are mentally and physically capable should exercise their right. Many years ago I carried openly with my LEO ID also visible. And I chose to carry concealed when off-duty. With a change in profession I continue to carry daily, concealed. However, this weekend I was shopping at Academy Sports and noticed a young man, exercising his open carry rights. No jacket or any intent of concealing the Blackhawk holster and S&W with extended mag. Based on experience I am 99% sure that he was not law enforcement. I was aware that this is legal in my state, but I was still uncomfortable with it. Other than the gun on his hip, the young man's behavior was not particularly unusual. He browsed the fishing department like most of the Christmas shoppers.

As we enjoyed our Christmas shopping he stayed on my radar. If his behavior had changed I would have confronted him or reacted decisively. My question is...Why would someone want this type of attention?

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I have better things to do with my time than search back through here a few months to find the thread about the man who was carrying in the Chick-Fil-A and how the consensus here was that the man was a bafoon, acting like a self-imposed figure of authority, and in general, was the type of person who create a bad name for concealed carry. He was arrogant, brash, and full of bravado (according to the way the story was relayed here, and again, the general consensus of those who replied to that thread) So you can either take my word for it and know that I'm right about the information that was in that thread, or you can search it yourself, post a link, and prove me wrong.

How can it be that someone in THAT story was an example of a bad CCW holder, yet suddenly, in this thread when a bad CCW holder walks into a private business, it's perfectly ok, and it's time to go after the business owner for being against the 2nd amendment?

I say "Bad CCW Holder" because they were so careless with their CCW that people could see the weapon and knew he was carrying. If people can see your weapon, guess what...IT'S NOT CONCEALED!

I'm well aware of the signs and what they mean too. I calmly ignore them. Yet my weapon has been concealed, and remained concealed, and nobody ever knew that I was carrying a concealed weapon.

When you are doing it right, nobody knows you're carrying, and no store owner/employee will ever ask you to leave the premises.

If you're doing it wrong, and the store owner/employee and others around you can see your CCW, then you fail at carrying a concealed weapon and need to re-think your actions.

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