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Old 11-15-2011, 03:39 PM   #11
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We have open carry in MI... and the debate rages on for pages and pages of OP vs CC discussion.

Friend of mine usually CC, but one day some punks in his neighborhood were running a bit wilder than usual. It was at night, and he lit them up with a 2M spot light. They decided to come get him, and his 45 was sitting in the open on his hip. As soon as the punks saw him, they backed down and to this day it's Mr. X, how are you doing today. He still chooses to mostly CC. I have no reason to doubt his story.

I personally typically tend to externally CC with a shirt or jacket hanging over the firearm.

Some believe CC is the best thing, others believe OC is the best thing, and usually with a very passionate defense.

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If a person guesses how a bad guy will react to seeing someone with a firearm, they have a 50/50 chance of being right. Some may make that person their 1st target & others just quietly leave.

My concern about open carry is putting up with all the 'gawkers' who are not aware of the law & especially the "man with a gun" panic calls to 911 & the ensuing commotion. However, once the law is widely known & people become accustomed to seeing it, this will subside. I've visited with folks that live in states where they have had open carry for a long time & they report that no one pays them any attention. It is the folks that are willing to step up & be the first ones to exercise the right, that will bring about it's acceptance. Of course, there will always be areas, within a conservative state, where the local law enforcement/populace may give you a hard time, such as a metropolitan city that is a liberal mecca.

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I would have to say it depends wether you should open carry or conceal. I had a situation where there was a few guys that looked like they were up to no good and i was at a gas station getting gas so i exited my blue crown vic but im not a cop but anyway i got out and my glock was
Showing on my side and they took off probably guessing i was a cop cause gun + cop car = cop i guess

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I think OC in metropolitan areas is silly. Kind of like going into an ethnic neighborhood with slogans that insult that ethnicity. Sure, you have (or SHOULD HAVE) the RIGHT to do it...but is it really smart to do it?

Concealed carry is a FANTASTIC advantage no matter where you are. Number one...it keeps the "stinky eye off YOU" and not from LE...but from everyone else, who's OPINION doesn't matter, but do you want someone with less than honest intent making YOU the first target to shoot? That round may come from behind from HIS concealed handgun you knew nothing about because it was concealed and you get shot from ambush...before you have the chance to react.

Take a banking institution for example. You are inside making your deposit or whatever and you are carrying open. A pair of armed robbers enters the bank, sees YOUR conspicuously displayed pistol, and before they even announce their intent they blow you to hell. Trust me, they aren't going to freeze in their tracks because you're carrying a gee-whizz tacticool 1911 or whatever. They aren't going to flee in fright because you are packin' a roscoe. The chances are very good that since they are already in for a penny, they might as well be in for a pound, and smoke you on the spot, then yell..."THIS IS A ROBBERY!". You have just been made an example of what not to do.

HOWEVER...if you're carrying concealed...you aren't THE GUY THEY SHOOT FIRST. Things may go smoothly if everyone listens, no one tries to be a hero, and by golly YOU are still ALIVE. They get their money, and de-ass the area. BUT...if things go badly, and they panic and start shooting people; you are still armed and may just have that one chance in a zillion to save your butt because YOUR roscoe was concealed.

Even when I was a detective and working plain clothes...my gun, badge, and cuffs were not visible. No one knew I was a cop until I identified myself, or was working a crime scene and had my badge out of my pocket and clipped to my belt. I never wore the silly OAKLEYS with POLICE emblazoned on the temples or the key lanyard with POLICE on the side around my neck with a PD ID on it. Why let some scumbag know who I was and give them an advantage?

You can bet if I was in that bank, I would be "Mr Compliant" until I had to act, and then and only then would anyone know I was armed. It's not cowardice or being chicken****...it's just sound tactical thinking. I'd a whole lot rather smoke a bad guy when I had all the advantage I could muster.

If the scumbags were armed with AK's, AR's, shotguns...what advantage does my pistol really give me? NONE if they know I have it. If they don't know...then that moment MAY arrive when I can take them out without getting my own silly ass or some other person's ass dead. Do I have the right to foolishly risk your grandma's life? Do I have the right to risk yours? Even if they miss me with that ambush shot...that bullet could, and may very well hit your wife, or mom, or whomever. Trust me, the scumbags aren't all that concerned with a safe back stop.

You never want to make yourself the obvious first target. Personally...I like being "Mr Gray". I don't want to be the one who is sticking out like a dildo at Disney Land. I'd rather be just another faceless guy in a crowd until I have to be otherwise. Then surprise surprise...I just RUIN'T YER DAY.


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Above is what I posted ever so eloquently in another thread....
that right there. totally correct. i oc when im out hunting on private land and it doesnt matter if a goblin that is tresspassing sees my handgun because i already got a rifle in hand either a bigbore 458 caliber or an AR15 with 30 rounds. the rifle will be aimed at any tresspasser till the sherriff deputies show up. poaching, illegals running drugs through the property or whatever is serious business where i deer hog and yote hunt
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I prefer the element of surprise.

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Ditto! Element of surprise always worked for me.
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I think it would be good to have open carry it would probably cut down on alot of crime it hasn't passed yet but think it will next year in Oklahoma
Oklahoma is already an open carry state...... As long as you aren't barred from possessing a firearm legally....
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Iay be wrong, but that's what my Deputy Sheriff friend told me a couple years ago..... Maybe I'm wrong though..... I was born and raised in Woodward, OK.

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The folks in Casper, Wyoming carry their guns open to the city council meeetings. Some of the council members claim they have been intimidated by some of these armed folks. It is not legal to carry concealed to a city meetings but open carry is legal. In Wyoming no permits are needed for open or concealed carry.

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Iay be wrong, but that's what my Deputy Sheriff friend told me a couple years ago..... Maybe I'm wrong though.....
Not yet, but were hoping to be able to have that choice in the near future.

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Not yet, but were hoping to be able to have that choice in the near future.

Really?
Yep! Actually its Fargo, OK. But since it ain't in all the maps, I've found it's easier to say Woodward.

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