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View Poll Results: What action should be taken by an armed observer?
Call 911 21 60.00%
Tell them to separate 1 2.86%
Stay out of it entirely 10 28.57%
Shoot both and let God sort it out 0 0%
Open 6 pack and place bets 7 20.00%
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Old 07-26-2014, 04:01 AM   #11
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No problem Jon, I got that. In the actual event, I was definitely not going to get out of my vehicle since I was open carry at the time. I had no intention of introducing the presence of a gun, in the holster or otherwise, into such a situation.

I obviously have a lot of work to do on my observational skills. I cannot remember even vehicle colors or types, much less tag numbers.
its a skill you have to practice or it decays.

thats why i always carried a notebook and pen and pencil on duty. write it down or it didnt happen was my motto drilled into my head by the mp school.

nowadays i have an ap on my android with a button push it records and i can speak outloud descriptions plates incident etc.


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In the actual event, the two guys separated and I left with no involvement. But the situation could have turned out several other ways. Verbal jousting, fisticuffs, one-sided beat down, vehicular assault, etc. The purpose of the thread is to discuss reasonable actions by an observer.
If there was a actual physical fight going on, where there was a "beatdown" then I would say Jon M's advice would be the best course of action. Just because someone has a CCW permit does not make them a crime fighter.

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You did the right thing..... You could of pulled your cell phone and called 911 and started recording the incident from a distance..
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The poll options failed to include "Get popcorn".

AS DESCRIBED, no action thus far would be appropriately addressed with deadly force. You just have two people yelling at each other.

Now, if driver A has driver B down on the pavement, whaling away with a tire iron, that could be a different matter.

As far as descriptions, there was the guy that painted the left half of his car blue, the right half red. Said it looked like hell- but you should see the witnesses argue with each other.


Now, the original scenario would have been avoided if one of the driver's in your example had the correct optional accessory to their car-
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You did the what I would have done.

As a CWP, my accessory is to be used to stop threats. They separated, so threat was stopped.

(And opening a 6 pack and placing bets won't work as they were no longer at it.)
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I think a call to 911 would be my choice, just in case it goes too far. And what if one of them pulls out a gun and accidentily shoots a bystander? Better to call 911
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As long as it is verbal, I would do nothing.
If it accelerated, I would call 911.
If a reasonable person would think someone is in danger of death or grave bodily harm, I would intervene, per Tennessee state law.

But be DARNED careful.

I have a nightmare that has been repeated several times.
I am out in the woods, communing with nature, and carrying my 1911 - as I usually do.
I hear screaming ahead behind some bushes, and I rush to them and see a guy beating the crap out of a young woman.
I draw my .45, but before I can even shout, he raises a knife overhead, preparing to stab her.
I blow his butt away.
Then I hear other voices -
Then I see the camera crew -
I have just killed an actor in a movie being filmed -
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Ayoob teaches in his CCW courses that calling 911 and observing is your primary and only responsibility. Any more involvement than this is not what you were trained for. Any less involvement is immoral.
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its a skill you have to practice or it decays.

thats why i always carried a notebook and pen and pencil on duty. write it down or it didnt happen was my motto drilled into my head by the mp school.

nowadays i have an ap on my android with a button push it records and i can speak outloud descriptions plates incident etc.
Although the modern technology is nice, it is also distracting.

On my cell phone I can dial 911 just by pressing a button.

From that point on, I would be talking into the phone while I watch what is going on.

If any of the belligerents were then to approach me, it would then be time to start the 4 point draw -- that's also why it's best always to hold the phone in your non-shooting hand --

-- grasp the pistol firmly in the tang of the grip

-- if deemed appropriate draw to the hip position

-- etc.

Anyone approaching you as you were in the process if making a call and reporting a situation is a dead give away of their aggressive nature and intent.

I like drawing to the hip in that case, because the pistol is still protected by being close to you.

The next obvious action would be to shout to the person to stop right there.

If they continue to advance however, that serves as an assault, and you should in no case let them get closer than 7 yards.

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Thank you for that info Shoobee!


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