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Tell them to separate 1 2.86%
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Old 07-26-2014, 03:07 AM   #1
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As I was driving through downtown Tulsa, I came up to a traffic light. There were two cars parked in the right lane with occupants outside the vehicles yelling at each other. One got back in his vehicle, so the guy behind him jumped in his vehicle. Second guy drove quickly to the empty space beside the first guy and started yelling at the first guy and trying to call him out to a fight. When the light changed the second guy raced off, turned in front of the first guy and proceeded into a parking lot. First guy braked to avoid the second guy and then drove away. That's all I know.

What say you FTF? As a licensed handgun carrier, what actions should I have taken?


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Old 07-26-2014, 03:14 AM   #2
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I think you did the right thing by not getting involved. Call the police next time. Unless that person is being beaten badly (depending on what state you live in) I wouldn't intervene. You never know what caused the argument and you could go to jail just for drawing a weapon. No need to go on the offensive, as a ccw holder, unless someone's life is in danger and you are sure you won't face severe legal ramifications.


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I'm not sure what you mean "what actions should you have taken?" Are you asking if because you carry a gun that you should have gotten involved in there shouting match, and tried to stop them from yelling at each other?
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If there was no violence, no one in danger, then there was nothing for you to do. Hurt feelings is not a reason to shoot someone.
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IMO, nothing. no crime was being committed and it seems it was a private matter between two strangers. at most, maybe calling the police and giving them a location and the events you observed and let them worry about it.
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As I was driving through downtown Tulsa, I came up to a traffic light. There were two cars parked in the right lane with occupants outside the vehicles yelling at each other. One got back in his vehicle, so the guy behind him jumped in his vehicle. Second guy drove quickly to the empty space beside the first guy and started yelling at the first guy and trying to call him out to a fight. When the light changed the second guy raced off, turned in front of the first guy and proceeded into a parking lot. First guy braked to avoid the second guy and then drove away. That's all I know.

What say you FTF? As a licensed handgun carrier, what actions should I have taken?
take down description of vehicles plates and combatants call 911 relay info and then stay out of it. there are no good actors in mutual road rage. a description and plate being a good witness is all you need to do.

two grown man-babies going at it and you jumping in there makes three man-babies at that point.

dont be a man-baby

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None of my business. Why should the police be called every time two people get in a fight? It's possible one or both of the DB's need their head thumped, maybe then they won't be so quick to get out and start something and maybe, just maybe they will stop driving like a dumb ass if they get their gourd thumped.
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In the actual event, the two guys separated and I left with no involvement. But the situation could have turned out several other ways. Verbal jousting, fisticuffs, one-sided beat down, vehicular assault, etc. The purpose of the thread is to discuss reasonable actions by an observer.
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In the actual event, the two guys separated and I left with no involvement. But the situation could have turned out several other ways. Verbal jousting, fisticuffs, one-sided beat down, vehicular assault, etc. The purpose of the thread is to discuss reasonable actions by an observer.
you should still have reported it. there have been incidents of an argument that culminated days later into murder.

having a ccw is for your personal protection and your family's. its not to allow you to act as a law enforcer. im former military police, been there done it. nowadays i ccw everyday and avoid other people's bs like the freekin plague. i tend to call 911 2-3 times a year reporting incidents and dangerous people driving stupidly.

last time was some assclown dragging his 7 year old daughter behind his truck with her in a barbie car tied to the hitch with poly rope... my ccw doesnt mean i need to get involved anymore than dialing 911 if im not at risk

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i wasnt calling YOU a man-baby just trying to illustrate how stupid getting involved in such an incident would be
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No problem Jon, I got that. In the actual event, I was definitely not going to get out of my vehicle since I was open carry at the time. I had no intention of introducing the presence of a gun, in the holster or otherwise, into such a situation.

I obviously have a lot of work to do on my observational skills. I cannot remember even vehicle colors or types, much less tag numbers.


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