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Strongwood 03-12-2011 01:47 PM

not really Conceal but effective
 
Lexington Delivery Driver Shoots Alleged Robber | LEX18.com | Lexington, Kentucky

IGETEVEN 03-12-2011 02:04 PM

I would shoot back too if someone was trying to take my money AND my hot wings as well! :mad:

Hey Strongwood buddy, have ya been by INTRODUCTIONS yet, so the guys can welcome ya? ;)

JonM 03-12-2011 02:47 PM

im sure it wont be long before some lib says hot wings or property arent worth the robbers life and that one should cooperate with them. i will shoot someone trying to rob or steal from me in a heartbeat, i remind those fools of this:

Forced To Become Human Bomb? - CBS Evening News - CBS News


Quote:

ERIE, Pa., Sept. 1, 2003
Forced To Become Human Bomb?
Pizza Deliveryman Blows Up After Allegedly Robbing A Bank


(CBS) "I don't have a lot of time," wheezed pizza delivery man Brian Wells.

Wells, 46, uttered those words Thursday, in what proved to be the final moments of his life. A videotape caught his faint voice begging for help.

Police had just cuffed Wells as a bank robbery suspect when he told them a bomb was tied to his body, reports CBS News Correspondent Mika Brzezinski.

"Why is nobody trying to come get this thing off me?" Wells said.

A desperate Wells was shouting to police that someone had strapped a bomb around his neck, and that time was running out.

"He pulled a key out and started a timer. I heard the thing ticking when he did it," police said.

And before the bomb squad arrived, the bomb detonated, killing him.

The FBI is investigating this bizarre chain of events which started last Thursday when somebody placed an order for a pizza delivery.

Wells delivered the pie to a remote spot near a television tower at the end of a dirt road.

Twenty minutes later, Wells walked into a local bank with a bulge under his t-shirt and a note demanding cash.

Once the teller gave it to him, Wells drove off and cops pulled him over just a few blocks away.

"I think there is a possibility of up to 80 percent that this individual is innocent," said Professor Robert Heibel, a retired FBI agent.

Heibel said Wells likely was set up, a tactic more common to drug runners or terrorists than bank robbers.

"He was being threatened that if he didn't rob the bank, once they hung that device around his neck let's say, then he becomes their patsy," Heibel said. "There are a number of ways they could have convinced him that it is a live device and from there on he is really at their mercy."

Adding to the mystery, a friend and co-worker of Wells turned up dead three days later.

An autopsy was done on the second man, Robert Pinnetti, to see if there is any connection between the two deaths.

The FBI is analyzing handwriting from the bank robbery notes as well as the bomb itself, to try and solve this mystery.

JonM 03-12-2011 03:05 PM

then there is this:

Yogurt Shop Murder - News - The Austin Chronicle

Quote:

Yogurt Shop Murder
New DNA evidence spells trouble for state
By Jordan Smith, Fri., April 18, 2008

A lawyer for yogurt shop defendant Robert Springsteen says that retested DNA evidence proves his client is not guilty and should be released from prison. In a writ filed Wednesday, attorney Joe James Sawyer argues that "new" DNA testing of a vaginal swab taken from victim Amy Ayers at the crime scene in 1991, requested by prosecutors, has revealed a previously undetected male DNA profile that does not match any of the four identified defendants. "This exonerates Defendant Springsteen and makes it clear someone else committed these murders," Sawyer wrote. (Download the full writ here.)

The motion was filed less than 24 hours after a court hearing Tuesday in which Travis Co. District Judge Mike Lynch said he would order prosecutors to turn over for additional DNA testing a raft of physical evidence collected in the infamous murder case. Dexter Gilford, part of the defense team representing Michael Scott one of four then-teenage boys accused of the grisly 1991 quadruple murder argued that the defense should be afforded the same ability to test key pieces of physical evidence that the state has enjoyed for nearly 17 years. "[We want] equal access to testing of evidence that the state saw fit to test, as well," Gilford said.

On Dec. 6, 1991, four teen girls were found inside a North Austin yogurt shop, stripped, bound, gagged, shot in the head, and burned, in a fire that police said was set to cover up the crime. Indictments were not brought until eight years later, when Travis Co. District Attor*ney Ronnie Earle announced that the perpetrators had finally been nabbed. Four young men, he proclaimed, were responsible for the brutal crime, including Springsteen, who was tried and convicted of the murder of 13-year-old Ayers in 2001, and Scott, convicted in 2002. A third defendant, Maurice Pierce whom prosecutors said was the "mastermind" behind the murders was indicted by a grand jury, but after he spent years in jail, Earle finally dismissed the charges against him in 2003, citing a lack of evidence. The case against the fourth, Forrest Welborn, was also dropped after two grand juries failed to indict him.

The state's case against the four is almost entirely circumstantial, relying heavily on two "confessions" provided by Springsteen and Scott, obtained by Austin police in 1999 after lengthy, and arguably coercive, interviews during which the two, separately, incriminated not only themselves but also each other for the crime. (To be clear, Springsteen and Scott were not the only two to confess; police collected at least 50 confessions some far more compelling in detail than those of the defendants.) But the state fudged the law by using portions of one man's confession as evidence in the trial against the other, denying each defendant's Sixth Amendment right to confront witnesses against him. In 2004, the U.S. Supreme Court, in an unrelated case, ruled that confrontation was the only way to satisfy the Sixth Amendment, and eventually the courts overturned both Springsteen's and Scott's convictions, booting the cases back to Travis Co. for further proceedings but without the ability to bolster their cases by placing into evidence the confession of a nontestifying co-defendant. (Both men recanted the substance of their statements and maintain their innocence.)

Importantly, there was no physical evidence found at the crime scene directly linking any of the defendants to the murders. There are fingerprints, for example, that have never been matched to anyone. The existence of physical evidence belonging to persons unknown has long been a key to the defense and was at the center of arguments during a pretrial hearing Tuesday.

At issue now are eight pieces of clothing found on or near the bodies of the four murdered girls including two shirts, several socks, a pair of underwear, and a brassiere, items identified by investigators as having been used as ligatures or gags. Previous testing on the items appears to have been minimal and, perhaps, dated Assistant D.A. Darla Davis, who prosecuted both Springsteen and Scott, testified Tuesday that possible biological evidence was found on several items but that analysts were not then able to obtain any conclusive DNA from that evidence. Still, it is hard to tell if the state simply didn't pursue the testing to an end (after all, they were adamant that they had their men) or if the science was not then evolved enough to provide any definitive result for example, a pink turtleneck tested positive in a presumptive test for semen, but analysts did not perform tests to confirm that result.

Clearly, neither the state nor the defense knows what, if anything, might be found from additional testing. But the state has been vociferous against further testing. According to the state's argument made by assistant district attorneys Efrain De La Fuente and Gail Van Winkle, who are handling Scott's retrial the minute that evidence in state custody is actually admitted as evidence during trial, it is suddenly degraded, because so many people have handled it. (Notably, none of the reporters in court this week could recall colleagues being allowed to paw through the evidence.)

In short, the state appears to be arguing that the only reliable evidence is their evidence including DNA tests dating back, in some instances, to the early Nineties. The argument is troubling for numerous reasons not least of which is that under their theory, it would seem impossible for the D.A.'s office ever to agree to post-conviction testing, as allowed by law, to correct miscarriages of justice. Davis told the Chronicle that there is no official policy concerning additional testing and that prosecutors consider these things on a case-by-case basis.

Of course, there is, perhaps, one additional explanation for the state's position in this particular case: The fact that the retesting of the vaginal swab collected from 13-year-old Ayers has revealed a DNA profile of an unknown male a piece of evidence that would seemingly further erode the already wobbly case against Springsteen and Scott. Indeed, if additional testing of other pieces of evidence happened to reveal the same unknown profile, the state's case might completely unravel. Ultimately, Judge Lynch rejected the state's argument, allowing defense attorneys access to the list of physical evidence they requested, though it's uncertain whether any as-yet-unrevealed evidence would be admissible at trial. Meanwhile, Scott's new trial, which was slated to begin next month, will be postponed until testing is complete.
so you have to ask yourself is cooperating with a robber a good idea?? is your life worth letting the robber have his way with you??
i salute the driver that saved his own life stopping those goblins

Strongwood 03-12-2011 04:12 PM

I went to introductions several months ago but dont often post
I will stop by again just for giggles


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Originally Posted by IGETEVEN (Post 463237)
I would shoot back too if someone was trying to take my money AND my hot wings as well! :mad:

Hey Strongwood buddy, have ya been by INTRODUCTIONS yet, so the guys can welcome ya? ;)


Jesse17 03-12-2011 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Strongwood (Post 463308)
I went to introductions several months ago but dont often post
I will stop by again just for giggles


Thanks! http://www.firearmstalk.com/forums/images/smilies/smile.gif

Wow, I waited for like 15 seconds for the rest of that link to open. :o

theskunk1946 03-13-2011 05:59 PM

The guy who built the bomb, and mastermined everything was an Izzie Rothstein

Barnes gets 45 years - Local News - GoErie.com/Erie Times-News

wmille01 03-13-2011 06:44 PM

This is one reason I love living in this state, if a zombie invasion happens we set we'll a good number of us.


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