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Old 03-06-2014, 01:48 PM   #1
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Default New Illinois CCL.

Hey just kinda tossing out some random thoughts, any input/experiences
are welcome.

I have never carried a sidearm in civilian life. Only a little open carry while in
the Navy. And that was 20+ years ago. So I am still getting used to the idea,
and I am super conscience of it. But I have been carry also every time I go
out of the house and even in the house and shop to get used to it. Last night
was one exception as we were going to my son's HS Wrestling Banquet, but I
did have the gun in the car, which is legal in IL. I guess with time it will
become more natural, but I don't think I want it to be thoughtless either.

I have yet to see a "no guns allowed sign" in any business that I frequent here
in the Kankakee area and very few up in the south suburbs of Shicago; where
my employer's plant is located. My guess is that many businesses who might
prohibit CC do not know what the legally required signage is. I am not telling
them, they have to find out for themselves. How often are you asked to leave
if perchance a business sees you are CC and they do not like it. I will be polite
and leave.

On a side note I really like Buffalo Wild Wings, I know they are anti-gun, hell
we all have our weaknesses, but I have yet to see the legally required signs
on any store here in IL, so I can carry in there until they post it properly, I
think I might do that soon. Just to have a bit of fun. If I do my concealed
part correctly they will never know. I have heard stories that they have even
asked on-duty police officers to leave, dunno if that is true or not.

I am making an effort to carry most of the time unless I know I am going into
a prohibited area; then I am still bringing the gun, in my vehicle as per the
law. Prior to receiving my license, I would carry an unloaded gun in my car
per the law.

Any good ideas on under dash holsters for my car or truck, 2011Explorer and
2000 F-350?

TIA,

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Old 03-06-2014, 03:36 PM   #2
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I can't imagine any establishment asking a uniformed police officer to leave because of their gun. I doubt that's happened.

The Clinic I take my Dad to for his health issues does have a "No guns" sign on their front door. But it's pretty small and it might be easily overlooked. LOL

I know someone who conceal carried here into a restaurant and a grocery store. Who would ever know there was a gun on that person if it is concealed properly?

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I can't imagine any establishment asking a uniformed police officer to leave
because of their gun. I doubt that's happened.
It would be kinda stupid, but with today's lemmings you never know...

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The Clinic I take my Dad to for his health issues does have a "No guns" sign on their front door. But it's pretty small and it might be easily overlooked. LOL
430 ILCS 66/ is very explicit on what signage needs to be displayed.
If they do not have the exact sign they are not in compliance.

Now if I see the proper sign on the door I will leave my gun in the car.
However, I was at a BWW up in Naperville, meeting a business associate.
They had a notice off to the side of the main entrance in frosted glass that no
guns were allowed on site. However is was only 2.5 to 3.5 feet off the ground
and hard to read I actually has to get down and close to read it. They did not
have the legally required signage posted.

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I know someone who conceal carried here into a restaurant and a grocery
store. Who would ever know there was a gun on that person if it is concealed
properly?
You are right if properly concealed, no one should know.
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Shade, i didn't read the link.

Find out what the consequence for breaking the law is. Meaning they have the legal sign up, what charges would be brought against you for failing to comply.

I often carry in BWW, they have to ask me to leave or leave the firearm in the car. If i fail to do so, it's a 25.00 fine and petty or misdemeanor.

Clearly a different story for schools/gov buildings and such.

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Shade, i didn't read the link.

Find out what the consequence for breaking the law is. Meaning they have the legal sign up, what charges would be brought against you for failing to comply.

I often carry in BWW, they have to ask me to leave or leave the firearm in the car. If i fail to do so, it's a 25.00 fine and petty or misdemeanor.

Clearly a different story for schools/gov buildings and such.
I was not a link it was the sign that the ISP requires to be posted, in an
unaltered state.

Here is the law concerning signage.
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Signs stating that the carrying of firearms is prohibited shall be clearly and
conspicuously posted at the entrance of a building, premises, or real property
specified in this Section as a prohibited area, unless the building or premises
is a private residence. Signs shall be of a uniform design as established
by the Department and shall be 4 inches by 6 inches in size.
The Department
shall adopt rules for standardized signs to be used under this subsection.
Penalties.
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Except as otherwise provided, a licensee in violation of this Act shall
be guilty of a Class B misdemeanor. A second or subsequent violation is a
Class A misdemeanor. The Department may suspend a license for up to 6
months for a second violation and shall permanently revoke a license for 3 or
more violations of Section 65 of this Act. Any person convicted of a violation
under this Section shall pay a $150 fee to be deposited into the Mental Health
Reporting Fund, plus any applicable court costs or fees.
Now if someone sees that I am carrying (IL law states the firearm must be
"concealed or mostly concealed") and asks me to leave I will do so with the
upmost politeness. Printing and accidental showing are okay under IL law.

Our CC law does have a few redeeming parts. Also that LEO need to ask for
you CCL etc. You are not required to disclose, unless asked.
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That's a steep fine, consider a pocket pistol fir better concealment?

I haven't tried it but I've seen these.

http://www.gumcreekcustoms.com/cart.html

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Very important legal points being made here! Things to look for:

1. The sign is posted conspicuously. If you have to hunt for it, it's not following the law.

2. It must be of appropriate size. Even if it's right in front of your face, you don't have to recognize it if it is too small by law.

3. It must be of a wording approved by the municipality. If the owner gets out his crayons and puts up his own version of the "GunBuster" logo, it's not legal if it isn't approved and have all the wording that the state requires.

As law-abiding citizens, we must also hold those who would restrict our freedoms to the same scrutiny by which we govern ourselves. Not letting signs which do not follow local ordnance guide our actions is just another form of civil disobedience.

A mall I frequent has two gunbuster signs that are 3" square about six inches off of the ground, one all the way to the left of a bank of eight entry doors and one all the way to the right. No anchor store has any warning on their doors in the same mall. You can't even identify the type of sign from a standing position! Were I ever to get in trouble for carry, I already have my defense ready to go to prove the mall's non-compliance under state law.

I always carry, and I do not disarm for any discretionary business that does not properly, and legally, post it's intentions. My state law says the owner or manager must request I leave the premises before I can be considered trespassing, so even if I get caught, all I have to do is peacefully remove myself to still be in compliance of the law. Know your state laws and what the procedure is for LEOs if you are spotted.

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Only sign I have seen was at Elmhurst Hospital's entrance. Not sure if it complied with the law.

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Only sign I have seen was at Elmhurst Hospital's entrance. Not sure if it complied with the law.

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All Hospitals are prohibited by law, they do not require signage as such.
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The only sign I saw was at the DMV in Joliet.

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