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Old 01-29-2016, 12:58 AM   #1
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I have carried for at least 30 years... I am not LE or affiliated with any gov. agency... I am retired now but was a business owner who carried for personal protection.

I am still a licensed bail bondsman and PI in Virginia and have been around guns in general and concealed carry weapons for many years... however, I do not know it all and do not profess to know it all... I have opinions like we all do and this is my take on conceal carry, choosing a weapon, etc....

Look, handle and try to shoot a variety of firearms before you buy... even after you buy, you will probably always see something in a gun shop somewhere that just flips your trigger and you just got to have it... and you will likely end up with more than one carry gun.. that's fine... just practice plenty and join a good club that can help you learn more than just basically shooting at paper... IDPA is a good start.. google that and read ... I won't spend a lot of time on it... you can find all you need to on the net... IDPA... "International Defensive Pistol Association"

As to caliber... I say, choose the largest that you can manage... keep this thought in mind... even a little .22 short is better than the largest round available if you can shoot it accurately and control the gun ... remember... the .22 caliber round has probably killed more people on this planet than most any other.... maybe second behind the 7.62... although I'm not so sure... IE: the current US military round is a 5.56... which is a .22 caliber round... the world renown AK-47 is a 7.62... (.30 cal.)...

Stopping power is certainly important... however... once you get above the .38 cal... I really think it may be a moot point (I am sure that will cause an uproar) but again keep this is mind... the .45 was developed to increase stopping power and the difference between the .38 and the .45 in the overall scheme of things is not as significant as you might imagine... .38, .357, 9mm, .380, .40, .41, .45, 10mm.... all can get the job done in the right situation... just depends on how well you can manage the gun and that is a personal thing that only you can do through a "touchy/feely" experience...

I do have my opinions on the brand of guns but here, I will not name one... just leave it up to you to check out all brands and choose for yourself... S&W, Ruger, Colt, Springfield, Remington, Glock, Taurus... so many, .... I will say this... for what it is worth, Glock has a really great reputation as one of the best on the market... I do not own a Glock... no particular reason... just don't like the way it feels in my hands... just personal preference... and that is why I advocate the 'touchy/feely' thing.

Most modern firearms manufactured today are of good quality.. some better than other however... you just have to look and ask and take all the advice... lump it together and make your own choice.

I am of the opinion that accuracy is more important than caliber... that is why I advocate practice in situations that provide something other than paper... again... IDPA.. check them out.
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Related to accuracy and caliber... and of course luck... you have to have Lady Luck on your side in any situation... bar none...

example I like to tell...

There is the story of the Indian mother (may have been an Alaskan Eskimo, not really sure)... anyway, she was in the woods picking berries with her little 'papoose' on her back... she had a weapon with her... a little .22 single shot rifle that she carried just in case... for what, I have no idea... however... as the story goes...

... a very large and apparently bad natured Brown bear happened to wander into her area and began approaching her and her baby.... she backed up and aimed the little .22 rifle in a meager defense.... assuming the worst...

She waited until the bear was within a few steps of her and she pulled the trigger on the little rifle... as Lady Luck would have it... the little .22 round entered the bears eye and penetrated his brain... killing him instantly...

Now this story has been told in many outdoor magazines over the years but the moral of this tale... true or not... is simple... it puts forth a very good and factual point.

... "Accuracy is always more important than caliber"

The largest handgun caliber will serve you not... if you cannot hit the target... so my advice, as always is.... practice and shoot the largest caliber you can accurately handle and hit with... even if it is only a little .22 short... you are far better off with that little gun than the largest on the market when you can hit what you aim at... and can control...

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Related to accuracy and caliber... and of course luck... you have to have Lady Luck on your side in any situation... bar none...

example I like to tell...

There is the story of the Indian mother (may have been an Alaskan Eskimo, not really sure)... anyway, she was in the woods picking berries with her little 'papoose' on her back... she had a weapon with her... a little .22 single shot rifle that she carried just in case... for what, I have no idea... however... as the story goes...

... a very large and apparently bad natured Brown bear happened to wander into her area and began approaching her and her baby.... she backed up and aimed the little .22 rifle in a meager defense.... assuming the worst...

She waited until the bear was within a few steps of her and she pulled the trigger on the little rifle... as Lady Luck would have it... the little .22 round entered the bears eye and penetrated his brain... killing him instantly...

Now this story has been told in many outdoor magazines over the years but the moral of this tale... true or not... is simple... it puts forth a very good and factual point.

... "Accuracy is always more important than caliber"

The largest handgun caliber will serve you not... if you cannot hit the target... so my advice, as always is.... practice and shoot the larges caliber you can accurately handle and hit with... even if it is only a little .22 short... you are far better off with that little gun than the largest on the market when you can hit what you aim at... and can control...

period..................
The moral of the story is exactly as it should be but in this case the reality is that an EYE SHOT on a BROWN BEAR is ineffective in mortally wounding a Brown Bear the eye does NOT HAVE A DIRECT PATH THROUGH THE SKULL THAT WOULD ALLOW A BULLET TO PASS that was less than .50 caliber:
http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=brown+bear+skull&go=Submit&qs=n&form=QBIL PG&pq=brown+bear+skull&sc=6-16&sp=-1&sk=
Check out this set of Brown bear skull images NOTICE eye socket and position of brain (low in the rear). A better shot would be through the nostril maybe 1/4 inch of bone versus 1 1/2 inch and with luck you hit the top of the brain!
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speezack Sound like a basic common sense approach to firearms and control of them !
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The moral of the story is exactly as it should be but in this case the reality is that an EYE SHOT on a BROWN BEAR is ineffective in mortally wounding a Brown Bear <<>> A better shot would be through the nostril >>
May have been through the nose... I think the story said eye but sounds like you know your stuff and I was only repeating for effect.... thanks for the info... if I ever encounter a Brown Bear... I will try to shoot him through his nose.... but only after he catches me.. and that may not happen since he would find the path rather slippery....

The only bear I have every taken was with a .50 black powder and it was just behind his right front shoulder... he hit the ground immediately, thank goodness, although I don't think Black Bears are near as aggressive as those big Brown ones... of which we have none here in Virginia....
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May have been through the nose... I think the story said eye but sounds like you know your stuff and I was only repeating for effect.... thanks for the info... if I ever encounter a Brown Bear... I will try to shoot him through his nose.... but only after he catches me.. and that may not happen since he would find the path rather slippery....

The only bear I have every taken was with a .50 black powder and it was just behind his right front shoulder... he hit the ground immediately, thank goodness, although I don't think Black Bears are near as aggressive as those big Brown ones... of which we have none hear in Virginia....
We have several threads on Brown Bear defense and tactics of which I have contributed info. HOWEVER your concept of accuracy over caliber has lots of merit AS LONG as the caliber has enough power behind it to enter into a vital area, and do the job!

Also Speezack the statement I made to you on another thread pokes back at me too! " We don't believe the old timers all the time!"
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<<>>concept of accuracy over caliber has lots of merit AS LONG as the caliber has enough power behind it to enter into a vital area, and do the job!
Most definitely... I was having a conversation with a total novice about calibers and was trying to explain that although the .380, 9mm, .357 and .38 all had basically the same diameter bullet or projectile... there was a marked difference in how fast and hard they hit the target... he also had a difficult time believing that the current issued military weapon was basically a hopped up .22...
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You lost all credibility with me when you referred to the 5.56 as a "hopped up 22." The 22 magnum is a hopped up 22.
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You lost all credibility with me when you referred to the 5.56 as a "hopped up 22." The 22 magnum is a hopped up 22.
have to agree, since the 5.56 has about ten times the energy and almost three times the velocity, the only thing they share in common is the diameter of the bore, and even that is debatable.
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