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wendel7 09-21-2009 06:22 PM

michigan - mental illness question
 
I would like to get a CCW in Michigan, but I am wondering how they define mental illness. If you go to a shrink for something does that disqualify you? I have been diagnosed with an adjustment disorder (309.24). Does anyone know if they will deny me? Is that something I can appeal? What if I have stopped treatment?

mr1911 09-21-2009 06:52 PM

I think you'll have to consult a (pro 2nd amendment) legal expert on this, maybe the NRA has some resources.

NGIB 09-21-2009 07:00 PM

Read this fella's thread as you may find the answers you're looking for...

http://www.firearmstalk.com/forums/f17/can-own-handguns-cant-get-ccw-17910/

ccr203 09-21-2009 08:01 PM

That truly sucks that they are so broad in that decision. Whats weird is that if you have a CCW from another state that doesn't use a single broad judgement, Michigan will accept that CCW permit.
But Michigan is also home of the flashing red signal at left turns, and I still don't completely understand where that came from:D

BigByrd47119 09-21-2009 08:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ccr203 (Post 163277)
That truly sucks that they are so broad in that decision. Whats weird is that if you have a CCW from another state that doesn't use a single broad judgement, Michigan will accept that CCW permit.
But Michigan is also home of the flashing red signal at left turns, and I still don't completely understand where that came from:D

I will surely be glad to be rid of those when I move back to Ohio this Saturday.

ccr203 09-22-2009 12:59 AM

alittle off topic, but those darn things can be tricky when you have never seen one before!

ninjatoth 09-26-2009 03:12 PM

I am in the same boat.I been to shrinks,I got OCD,and as far as I know,I am "mentally ill".I would like to know what legally defines mental illness,because at the moment being honest,I feel like I would have to state that I do have a mental illness on the cpl application.

Puff 10-02-2009 01:56 AM

I'm in MI & have my CPL.

You don't ask anyone at police dept.
Some police don't even know it's legal to open carry.

You ask the CCW instructors - they deal with this & are
pretty well informed on how to do things and what your rights are.

My paper work from CPL
RI-021 (02/2009)
MICHIGAN STATE PLOICE
Statistical Records Division

Not be subject to any of the following:
-An order requiring involuntary hospitalization or alternative treatment
-An order finding legal incapacitation
-A finding of not guilty by reason of insanity

Mark F 10-02-2009 01:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ninjatoth (Post 165791)
I am in the same boat.I been to shrinks,I got OCD,and as far as I know,I am "mentally ill".I would like to know what legally defines mental illness,because at the moment being honest,I feel like I would have to state that I do have a mental illness on the cpl application.

Well, you'd probably buff the blue off your pistol but that shouldn't keep you from owning & protecting yourself and your loved ones...

And if you get right down to it... there isn't a single person alive that doesn't have some sort of "disorder". Even road-rage qualifies...

Puff 10-02-2009 04:08 PM

Pretty sure you do have to put OCD on the application.
Caught lying would get you denied before the OCD would.

There are 4 pages on this CPL guide, covered front and back (that's 8 )
with the rules & regs for the law abiding citizen.

There is one more rule at no. 16 way over on page 3 that say's
"Not have a diagnosed mental illness at the time the application is
made, regardless of whether he or she is receiving treatment."

If you're denied, they have to notify you, tell you why you were denied
and that you have the right to appeal.

Apparently denials happen often enough - and appeals do work.
(depends much on the political situation on gun rights in your county)

Don't give up until your appeal has been turned down.

Even person's convicted of a misdemeanor can get their CPL if they
apply 3 years after the conviction. That's theft, drunk driving, drugs.

Good luck to both of you guys and I would like to know what & how you do.


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