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indyfan 07-17-2011 08:05 AM

Lessons learned from a off duty officer
 
This is an old post about an off-duty Officer who was involved in a shoot out at Mcdonalds.

Someone just shared this with me, it was a good read, you may have read it already, if not here you go

Lessons learned from an off-duty officer involved in fatal shootout at a McDonald

and here's a video showing that a few rounds won't just drop an armed suspect instantly

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=df4_1308196520

Glasshartt 07-17-2011 08:12 AM

Very good read. very true

frankie331978 07-17-2011 08:46 AM

That was a shocking read. I don't know how anyone can kill another human being. Shocking!! Sometimes if you try to talk nicely, people would be willing to cooperate with you.

mrenfield 07-17-2011 08:47 AM

intense
 
It's hard to imagine what it must feel like to do the right thing and have such a horrible outcome. It makes sense though sometimes you gotta let em get away. As far as the video goes that jackass had it coming to shoot at someone who has surrendered is disgusting, thank the lord he was a horrible shot.

indyfan 07-17-2011 09:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by frankie331978 (Post 543614)
That was a shocking read. I don't know how anyone can kill another human being. Shocking!! Sometimes if you try to talk nicely, people would be willing to cooperate with you.

You are so right, talking nicely is always the right answer

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_QmO_YFRrGC...00/cho_nbc.jpg

http://www.therealstevegray.com/wp-c...e-Loughner.jpg


I should of talked nice to that gang member in California that shot at me and shot my girlfriend because he mistaked our car for a rival gang members car and just decided to open fire at us.

I think you're in the wrong forums Frankie, the Brady campaign forum is elsewhere, try googling it

Dzscubie 07-17-2011 02:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by frankie331978 (Post 543614)
That was a shocking read. I don't know how anyone can kill another human being. Shocking!! Sometimes if you try to talk nicely, people would be willing to cooperate with you.


Iím sorry, I donít think I really understand your comment. :confused: Are you saying the officer in the article should have talked some more to the guy that just robbed the McDonalds? From what I read he identified himself and then the bad guy cut loose on him.

Other than identifying yourself and telling the guy to drop the gun what other ďtalkingĒ do you think needs to be done? Trust me, people who use guns, rob people and are caught in the process of doing that are not really receptive to conversation.


Scubie

Vincine 07-17-2011 04:25 PM

Re: Lessons learned from an off-duty officer involved in fatal shootout at a McDonald’s

Sometimes when you ‘win’, you lose.

wmille01 07-17-2011 04:51 PM

stuff like this happens more then it should (robbings, innocents in the crossfire). Training kicks in and thoughts you would normally have go out the window. Just thinking a lot of training that I've seen people doing just involves them, self survival. I can say I would have done the same things in his shoes.

JonM 07-17-2011 07:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by indyfan (Post 543599)
This is an old post about an off-duty Officer who was involved in a shoot out at Mcdonalds.

Someone just shared this with me, it was a good read, you may have read it already, if not here you go

Lessons learned from an off-duty officer involved in fatal shootout at a McDonald

this is a perfect example of survivor regret. he is falsely what ifing himself into a bad corner. going down that same path what if he let the goblin go and the goblin on his way out grabbed on of his kids stole a car then brutally raped and strangled the kid... sometimes you do the right thing and bad things still happen. but you CANNOT stand there and do the wrong thing by letting a goblin have his way.

Quote:

Originally Posted by indyfan (Post 543599)
and here's a video showing that a few rounds won't just drop an armed suspect instantly

LiveLeak.com - Suspect Gets 26 Years in Attempted Murder of Officer - Video Released 6/15/11

this vid illustrates perfectly why ccw/oc is so important. note the time frame from when the officer called to the time the police showed. even officers with a vested interest in being there take minutes to arrive.

IGETEVEN 07-17-2011 08:15 PM

The lesson learned here is when someone has a gun in their hand, making demands, threats or pointing it and doing both, any defensive action against this individual better be quick, and without hesitation. One can train and train countless various scenarios, but it really hits home when your actions depends on your or your loved one's life, in the final outcome.

There is always a variable in any given scenario that cannot be counted on in these situations and that's innocent by-stander casualties. Sometimes, sh!t happens.

I would have most likely handled it the same way.


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