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Old 02-01-2011, 03:04 AM   #1
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JD has a bit of a problem, and in this area I have limited knowledge, because I don't believe in "less lethal" responses'. Sorry.

Not politically correct I know, and I apologize, but this is the reason for this thread.

Household Six got a new job. This one involves travel. At the end of the month she is to travel to Chicago and spend a week, or so, in the Windy City.

Now I have no delusions that she won't be staying in a good area, she is traveling with the CEO of the company, but I still worry about her in areas where she can't carry.

She has a Kimber Life Act. We actually bought two and had her test one on a target at the range so she knows what to expect.

Recently Kimber introduced the PepperBlaster II, which is a modified version of the Life Act.

I am wondering from my friends here in Law Enforcement, Self Defense, Border ( Scubie / Glass ) is there a better product out there that a civilian can purchase?

I don't want to go with anything that can not be purchased by a legal "citizen" of Washington state, so while I know my military guys will offer up something that isn't available to us lonely mopes yet and I thank them on bended knee, I am looking for OTC solutions.

Anyone??

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I know this doesn't help much but maybe some Tango in a can.

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I've heard hornet and wasp spray works very good but haven't tested that theory.

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Bear spray with the dye.

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I've heard hornet and wasp spray works very good but haven't tested that theory.
I can attest that it is not an enjoyable experience (and no I was not deserving of it, it was an accident )

How's about a collapsible baton - Telescopic Steel Batons - Expandable 16, 21, 26 inch baton or some weighted gloves - SAP Gloves - Gloves with steel shot in the knuckles

I would recommend a taser/stun gun, even if it is illegal in the area. Better to have Household 6 alive than not.
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Hate to bring this up, but she cannot travel by air with any sort of defense spray- not on person, not in carry on, and not in checked baggage.

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oriented more towards escape and evade than combat. check luggage safe. its about 9 inches long and can easily fit in a purse.

might think about something like this:




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unfortunately all non-lethal options pretty much suck. nothing will stop a determined attacker but multi layer your non lethal defenses might help. combine the light with some sort of personal extremely loud alarm device. might have a better chance to escape with good situational awareness. smoking and joking in a hostile zone is a good way to get caught by surprise.
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I've heard hornet and wasp spray works very good but haven't tested that theory.
Indeed, it works surprisingly well and provides a painful distraction to allow E&E.

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Hate to bring this up, but she cannot travel by air with any sort of defense spray- not on person, not in carry on, and not in checked baggage.
It is very accessible. She could pick up a can of it after she touches ground, at most drug and grocery stores.
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I've heard hornet and wasp spray works very good but haven't tested that theory.
Defending yourself at home with whatever is at hand is one thing, carrying insect poison in a purse with intent to use on another is a defense nightmare. A lot of the common bug sprays are derivatives of nazi gas research. I wouldn't do it on purpose.
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I know it's not a giant idea but I large tub sock full of batteries works pretty well.

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