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Dillinger 02-01-2011 02:04 AM

Less Lethal, but still with a serious punch??
 
JD has a bit of a problem, and in this area I have limited knowledge, because I don't believe in "less lethal" responses'. Sorry.

Not politically correct I know, and I apologize, but this is the reason for this thread.

Household Six got a new job. This one involves travel. At the end of the month she is to travel to Chicago and spend a week, or so, in the Windy City.

Now I have no delusions that she won't be staying in a good area, she is traveling with the CEO of the company, but I still worry about her in areas where she can't carry.

She has a Kimber Life Act. We actually bought two and had her test one on a target at the range so she knows what to expect.

Recently Kimber introduced the PepperBlaster II, which is a modified version of the Life Act.

I am wondering from my friends here in Law Enforcement, Self Defense, Border ( Scubie / Glass ) is there a better product out there that a civilian can purchase?

I don't want to go with anything that can not be purchased by a legal "citizen" of Washington state, so while I know my military guys will offer up something that isn't available to us lonely mopes yet and I thank them on bended knee, I am looking for OTC solutions.

Anyone??

doctherock 02-01-2011 02:13 AM

I know this doesn't help much but maybe some Tango in a can.

rjd3282 02-01-2011 02:23 AM

I've heard hornet and wasp spray works very good but haven't tested that theory.

willfully armed 02-01-2011 02:46 AM

Bear spray with the dye.

dog2000tj 02-01-2011 02:55 AM

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Originally Posted by rjd3282 (Post 434125)
I've heard hornet and wasp spray works very good but haven't tested that theory.

I can attest that it is not an enjoyable experience (and no I was not deserving of it, it was an accident :o )

How's about a collapsible baton - Telescopic Steel Batons - Expandable 16, 21, 26 inch baton or some weighted gloves - SAP Gloves - Gloves with steel shot in the knuckles

I would recommend a taser/stun gun, even if it is illegal in the area. Better to have Household 6 alive than not. :cool:

c3shooter 02-01-2011 03:57 AM

Hate to bring this up, but she cannot travel by air with any sort of defense spray- not on person, not in carry on, and not in checked baggage.

JonM 02-01-2011 04:29 AM

oriented more towards escape and evade than combat. check luggage safe. its about 9 inches long and can easily fit in a purse.

might think about something like this:

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unfortunately all non-lethal options pretty much suck. nothing will stop a determined attacker but multi layer your non lethal defenses might help. combine the light with some sort of personal extremely loud alarm device. might have a better chance to escape with good situational awareness. smoking and joking in a hostile zone is a good way to get caught by surprise.

IGETEVEN 02-01-2011 04:50 AM

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Originally Posted by rjd3282 (Post 434125)
I've heard hornet and wasp spray works very good but haven't tested that theory.

Indeed, it works surprisingly well and provides a painful distraction to allow E&E.

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Originally Posted by c3shooter (Post 434206)
Hate to bring this up, but she cannot travel by air with any sort of defense spray- not on person, not in carry on, and not in checked baggage.

It is very accessible. She could pick up a can of it after she touches ground, at most drug and grocery stores.

JonM 02-01-2011 05:05 AM

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Originally Posted by rjd3282 (Post 434125)
I've heard hornet and wasp spray works very good but haven't tested that theory.

Defending yourself at home with whatever is at hand is one thing, carrying insect poison in a purse with intent to use on another is a defense nightmare. A lot of the common bug sprays are derivatives of nazi gas research. I wouldn't do it on purpose.

wmille01 02-01-2011 05:32 AM

I know it's not a giant idea but I large tub sock full of batteries works pretty well.


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