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Old 06-11-2013, 10:26 PM   #1
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Default Legal SBR in a vehicle?

I was recently speaking to a local gunsmith who showed me his PDW which was a custom-built AR-15 sporting a Magpul UBR and 8" barrel which he had legally registered as a SBR (short-barrelled rifle) and carried his $200 tax stamp.

Now, in some states (my state of Ohio included), when you have a CCW, you can carry a loaded pistol in your car, but ALL long guns must be transported unloaded, with the ammo secured separately, making it hard on people that believe "A pistol is only used to get you to a REAL weapon." So this gunsmith points out that the rear of the UBR can be completely removed, leaving only the buffer tube and the cheek weld that is fastened to the top of the buffer tube. In our state, that 8" barrel and no buttstock qualifies the converted weapon legally as a "pistol." So, it is his claim that the buttstock-less weapon can be legally carried in a vehicle, loaded, the same as any other CCW-legal "pistol." I know we can carry the ARs manufactured as pistols in our vehicles, but those are registered as pistols.

My question is: Does removing the rear of the stock, leaving the buffer tube, legally make this a pistol capable of being carried in a vehicle, even though its tax stamp reads "Short-barrelled Rifle?" Or is this poking around for a 7-year term at Leavenworth, KS? It sounded a little risky and I was hoping someone familiar with NFA regs could give an informed opinion.

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Old 06-11-2013, 11:25 PM   #2
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I thought a lower had to choose its...persuasion at build time? It's either a pistol lower or a rifle lower, or am I remembering wrong?

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A SBR is not a pistol.
One is not to turn a rifle into a pistol.
If it is a pistol, then the sbr does not apply.

ATF has strict rules about what is what.
I recommend that you go to the source (ATF) and ask their opinion

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Yeah, that's what I thought, too. When you build, you must choose pistol or rifle. No switching. And by adding or subtracting a stock, you are switching. Sounds like he's lookin' for trouble. Which is odd, since he's a gunsmith, and has a legal SBR.....

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Why not just purchase an AR pistol?

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Because an Ar's a rifle? And I hear they're hard to find....

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Okay, thanks guys, for confirming what I already thought. Playing with the build status of an NFA weapon sounds very, very Bad.

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Because an Ar's a rifle? And I hear they're hard to find....
ar's can be bought or built as a pistol with nothing more than ffl paperwork.
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It's just a matter of check a box on the paperwork? I thought it had to be logged as a pistol at time of manufacture, or something like that.....how come you very rarely see AR pistols? (Or maybe I don't pay attention.)

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They aren't all that popular, but I see them online and at gun shows.

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