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Old 11-10-2012, 12:03 AM   #11
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I live and work in a rural area. I use FMJ all the time. I see no need for a hollow point in my life. A pistol is just something to buy me time get a long gun anyway. To old to run.

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So the question is which do you load in you CCW?
Honestly I don't even consider it a question. I would never use anything except JHP in my SD gun. It's not a issue of over penetration or liability either. It's that Every bit empirical evidence I have seen says JHP is far superior to FMJ in stopping an assailant.

Alternating JHP and FMJ in one magazine or loading FMJ in backup mags makes no sense to me. FMJ does not stop better, it does not defeat body armor better, it does not really work through barriers better than modern bonded JHP.

I use FMJ for nothing except less expensive practice ammo.
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Old 11-10-2012, 10:28 PM   #13
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I carry an LCP and load it with Barnes 80 grain solid copper hollow points -- +P, 1300+ FPS out of a short barrel. If I ever shoot anybody with one I'll post how it did.

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So the question is which do you load in you CCW? Do you have a preference and a reason? I load alternating in my XDM 9mm. First round is FMJ then JHP and so on.
I do this because there are instances of decreases in penetration with JHP. I like the alternating load because it can aid in compensating for this. Although I could be off the mark - comments would help too.
As a side note I have tested this and had no issues with feeding or firing. Just wondering how everybody rolls? Thanks.
Can you 'preplan' a shoot out????
MANY years ago I would carry fmj and jhp alternately in the magazine of my off duty gun (Browning HP), but as I began to test and research terminal ballistic of handgun bullets I found when a jhp strikes anything which can 'fill' the HP it will not expand and thus acts (penetrates) the same as a non-expanding bullet (because that it has became a non-expanding bullet).
To answer your question, use the best ammunition which is sold for self defense, which is not fmj, and hope you never need to use your PPD!!!!
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Old 11-12-2012, 01:28 AM   #16
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JHP in weapon, FMJ for reloads. If I'm still shooting after 13 rounds, clearly I need more penetration

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Neither. 148 gr lead wadcutters in .38 spl work well for me out of a j-frame.

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Neither. 148 gr lead wadcutters in .38 spl work well for me out of a j-frame.
The funny thing is I almost included those in the initial question. But since I only have a Taurus Model 66 in .357 and don't carry it concealed. Though you can't go wrong with the wadcutters lol.
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Neither. 148 gr lead wadcutters in .38 spl work well for me out of a j-frame.
Years ago it was common practice to load the 148 gr hollow base WC BACKWARDS!
They were a good for environments were over penetration could be a problem, like in crowds. I did witness the autopsy where one was used. It was a center chest hit and it expanded to about the size of a quarter and stopped at the back of the chest just short of the spine. It was fired from a 4 inch S&W and it was loaded to standard velocity, about 800-850 fps.
I loaded (and still do) this bullet and tried it at different velocities up to 1200 fps in a 357 Mag. When you reach about 1000 fps it becomes very unstable and will key hole as close as 5 yds, and would not be accurate past about 15 yds. But it would be devastating to a human target, especially where over penetration could be a problem.
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Honestly I don't even consider it a question. I would never use anything except JHP in my SD gun. It's not a issue of over penetration or liability either. It's that Every bit empirical evidence I have seen says JHP is far superior to FMJ in stopping an assailant........

.....I use FMJ for nothing except less expensive practice ammo.
Actually, it depends on the caliber. In .380, hollow point is known to underpenetrate, and FMJ is a much better choice. The OP was referring to his 9mm, and I would I would agree with you here.

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I carry an LCP and load it with Barnes 80 grain solid copper hollow points -- +P, 1300+ FPS out of a short barrel. If I ever shoot anybody with one I'll post how it did.
You might want to reconsider for two reasons: (1) see above comment, and (2) the Ruger manual expressly recommends against the use of +P ammunition in the LCP.
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