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Old 07-09-2012, 07:12 PM   #11
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It depends on the conditions your in at the time. If you are expecting immediate trouble carry cocked and locked. If you carry out in the field cocked and locked or hammer down on a loaded chamber. Yes the 1911 has an inertia foreign pin but it is held back by a spring to keep it from going forward from its own inertia. It does take a lot of force to move that firing pin hard enough to fire a round when the hammers already down. You can always put in a titanium firing pin and a heavier firing pin spring and hammer spring.

I did this on one of my 1911's and have never had a failure to fire due to a light hit.

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This past weekend, an off-duty Detroit Police officer had a negligent discharge that killed a woman. His piece was holstered and allegedly went off when he hugged this woman. Point is, like others have said, utilize every safety available. Accidents happen.
Was the negligent "discharge" done with his handgun, or was it done with his "member"? Poor lady!
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I also carry in condition one, never had an AD either. When i started carrying my dad and i went round and round about this. In my opinion its the only way to carry. What if someone grabs you and youve only one hand to draw your weapon? This happened to a buddy of mine and his dad. They were restoring a 1970 Chevelle and had most everything except some minor things done. They thought a sunday afternoon drive would be fun. While stopped at a light a bg reached through the window and grabbed SR (both are named Randall). With his right hand he drew his 1911 and placed it at the bg's chin and told him he had 3 seconds to release or he'd splatter his brain matter all over the headliner. Needlessness to say it didnt take him long to rethink his options.

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Correct me if I'm wrong but if you carry in condition two, this basically means the weapon is a double action pull?

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Correct me if I'm wrong but if you carry in condition two, this basically means the weapon is a double action pull?
No, with a 1911 there is no such thing as a double action pull. In condition 2 you have to thumb-cock it before you fire.
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No, with a 1911 there is no such thing as a double action pull. In condition 2 you have to thumb-cock it before you fire.
Oh ok, I did not realize that, I don't have much 1911 experience other than a few boxes on a range trip but that happens when you work the action to chamber a round?
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Correct me if I'm wrong but if you carry in condition two, this basically means the weapon is a double action pull?
1911 is a SA it is meant to be carried in Condition One when loaded ( cocked and locked) with the hammer down it must be cocked manually.
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If you put in a loaded magzine when there is no round in the chamber, you rack the slide to load the chamber. This leaves the hammer cocked. If you then apply the manual safety, the gun will remain cocked with a round in the chamber. This is condition 1, the best way to carry a 1911. If you rack the slide to load a round, then carefully lower the hammer by holding the hammer with one hand while pulling the trigger with the other, then don't apply the safety, that's condition 2 - hammer down on a loaded chamber, safety off. So, since the 1911 won't fire double action, you have to cock the hammer with your thumb before you can fire. This is dangerous in two ways- when you pull the trigger and lower the hammer with your thumb and forefinger, you risk having the hammer slip out of your hand. The second risk is when thumb-cocking it before firing. If you do that be SURE you don't touch the trigger while cocking the hammer.

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So then, the 1911 was designed with a firing pin that's struck by a hammer, is that a testament to the technology at the time or to a mechanical system that just works well? I would assume mechanically it would have made sense to encase the hammer in a steal shroud. So then what reason is the hammer exposed? is it theoretical? or is it mechanical reason or just a sign of the times?

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