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Old 07-15-2011, 02:55 AM   #51
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Who is doing the catering? The Legislators. Does that make them enablers or criminals?
WE ALL cater to criminals.

1) WE, the general public, cater to criminals, by allowing ourselves to get and

be in situations where criminals can make us victims.

2)Our criminal justice systems caters to criminals by giving them 3 hots and a

cot, A/C, cable TV, spas, gyms,etc. Prison "training" of criminals by

other hardened criminals inside. Free clothing, legal assistance,

lax judges, plea bargaining, the list goes on and on.

3) We gun owners cater to criminals by making popular guns

which are easy to hide and use with little skill or training.

4)Popular culture in general caters to criminals by treating

prison tattooed jackholes like heros, instead of the scum they are.

5) Lawmakers cater to criminals by making laws which disarm us, while

practically placing guns in criminal's hands.

Make no mistake, we are ALL to blame(myself included) for

catering to the criminal society in America which is sucking the

very life from us...
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Old 07-15-2011, 04:58 AM   #52
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WE ALL cater to criminals.

1) WE, the general public, cater to criminals, by allowing ourselves to get and

be in situations where criminals can make us victims.

2)Our criminal justice systems caters to criminals by giving them 3 hots and a

cot, A/C, cable TV, spas, gyms,etc. Prison "training" of criminals by

other hardened criminals inside. Free clothing, legal assistance,

lax judges, plea bargaining, the list goes on and on.

3) We gun owners cater to criminals by making popular guns

which are easy to hide and use with little skill or training.

4)Popular culture in general caters to criminals by treating

prison tattooed jackholes like heros, instead of the scum they are.

5) Lawmakers cater to criminals by making laws which disarm us, while

practically placing guns in criminal's hands.

Make no mistake, we are ALL to blame(myself included) for

catering to the criminal society in America which is sucking the

very life from us...
I accept no blame for those who choose to use violence against their neighbors. The gun manufacturer is no more to blame for gun violence than the pencil manufacturer is for misspelled words or the brewery for one mans drunkenness. Individuals choose to commit crimes, and if there is any blame due society, it would be for allowing itself to be used as an excuse or maligned as the cause of criminal behavior.
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Gun free zones mean nothing to me! I carry everywhere except places that have metal detectors. End of story!

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I accept no blame for those who choose to use violence against their neighbors. The gun manufacturer is no more to blame for gun violence than the pencil manufacturer is for misspelled words or the brewery for one mans drunkenness. Individuals choose to commit crimes, and if there is any blame due society, it would be for allowing itself to be used as an excuse or maligned as the cause of criminal behavior.
Oh, I disagree. When our culture glorifies, harbors, and protects criminals,and makes it

cool,fun, and overall better to

be a BG than do the right thing, we cater to criminals.

Things could change, but only if criminals are treated like the

pariahs they truly are.
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Well therewolf, how come you aren't a criminal? Let me guess, because you choose to do the right thing. Runner is right on the money. I won't accept responsibility for someone else's actions because they chose not to do what is right. What you seem to be implying is that people are weak and make decisions based on peer pressure rather than sound judgement. If that's the case then the "powers that be" should make our decisions for us so we don't go down the wrong path. I'm pretty sure you don't want that.

No one forced those kids at Columbine to go on a rampage. No one forced Loughner to go nuts. No one forces the hands of these criminals. They choose to do those things. They. Not me. Not you. Not TV. They.

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Oh, I disagree. When our culture glorifies, harbors, and protects criminals,and makes it

cool,fun, and overall better to

be a BG than do the right thing, we cater to criminals.

Things could change, but only if criminals are treated like the

pariahs they truly are.
To some extent, he's right. If society is not going to punish crime, then it will by default encourage it.

Who here thinks that the US does a good job punishing crime?
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To some extent, he's right. If society is not going to punish crime, then it will by default encourage it.

Who here thinks that the US does a good job punishing crime?
First, define crime. Is it just breaking the law? Cause if it is, a ton of us are criminals. (speeding, rolling thru stop signs, etc.)

For me, fear of punishment is not what motivates me. If I see a wallet with cash in it, it's not fear of punishment that makes me return it. If I see a person fall, it's not fear of punishment that makes me help them up. It's called treat others like you want to be treated.

I totally agree that we don't punish violent crimes harshly enough. No question. But even if there were no death penalty, I still wouldn't kill people without them endangering my life.

This is a question of morality. But who defines "good morals"? I see your point about encouraging poor behavior because of lack of consequences but at some point the individual has to be held responsible, not the public.
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Bigbomar,

I agree with your thought. Since your home is there and you were probably there even prior to their stupid perimeter law. I think I would surely take them to task if it ever came to that. And I do not think they would win in your case. Like you, since you reside there I would think that as long as you do not take the weapons on campus grounds and to and from your vehicle to go shooting there should be no problem. I am sure the local police know who are residents and home owners in the area and who are not. I was LE for over 27 years and there is no way I would even be concerned about the residents in the area. I would just tell you that in your case if they messed with me concerning this I would take them to court.
God how things have changed! When I was in school we use to take our shotguns and rifles to school and leave them in our car trunks so we could go hunting after school.

Of course with the liberal status regarding our schools today with NO Corporal Discipline, NO God, NO support for the teachers who try to do what is right! And parents that blame everyone else for the problem and not their kid! (Kind of sounds like our present administration doesn't it!) It is no wonder we have severe problems in our schools.

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First, define crime. Is it just breaking the law? Cause if it is, a ton of us are criminals. (speeding, rolling thru stop signs, etc.)
No it's not just running stop signs.

There's an example in our local paper today. A 34 year old man was convicted of coming to our area, picking up a 12 year old girl he met on the internet, taking her back to Florida, and raping her along the way. He was sentenced to 12 years.

If we had any kind of proper punishment in this country, he would be shot the day after his sentencing (or pick your method of quick capital punishment).

If we had punishment in this country, drunk drivers who kill someone else would be treated just like any other murderer.

If we had punishment in this country, murderers would be given one appeal within 6 months and executed within one month of final adjudication.

We don't have a justice system. We have a criminal convenience system.
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I can agree with #2. The system has taken the penalty out of crime.

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