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marinefreak200 01-08-2013 02:37 AM

How do you answer to 911 and police in the event you just used you weapon in defense?
 
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Okay so I just took my CC class and one question I forgot to ask him was how to tell police and 911 that you just shoot someone. My father who is also a CC holder said his instructor told him to never tell 911 and police that you just shot the perp but request a '96 hour silence' kind of a deal like cops get when involved in an altercation. They get a paid administrative leave pending a case. I don't think that is a great idea, I believe you should tell the 911 operator and police that you did shoot the bad guy but that you did have a reasonable reason to stop the threat... No you didn't shoot to kill but to stop the suspect from doing harm to you or your family. How would you respond to these questions if asked by police??

I have been carrying for a while now both open and concealed while staying legal. I figured it was time to get my CCW so I can branch out and carry without worrying about a felony and screwing up my chances of carrying. I've been shooting for 14 years and am a current Marine so I can not and do not want to miss out on such an important right. I just want the knowledge from people who have been carrying for some time.

Thanks for your input!

blucoondawg 01-08-2013 02:38 AM

Read this Sticky by Canebrake:

http://www.firearmstalk.com/forums/f17/read-before-you-decide-carry-67036/

CHLChris 01-08-2013 02:46 AM

"I need help right away. (One man/two people) has been shot and is (lying on the floor/hanging out of my window). (Give address/name) My life was in danger and I had to protect myself." No more. You may repeat the same sentences again as appropriate. I would probably stay on the phone, but any requests for further details would result in me repeating the last sentence again. And again.

When the police arrive, I'd say as little as possible, just reiterations of the same key phrase, "My life was in danger and I had to protect myself."

I do wonder who I would call for legal representation...

Axxe55 01-08-2013 02:58 AM

i have to agree with both these. please read the sticky that Canebrake wrote at the beginning of this section. very informative and very detailed. many of your concerns are answered here.

key word here is, you were involved in a shooting, not that you shot anyone. now you really haven't given any details, but you can't be accused of lying either. you were involved in a shooting if you discharged your firearm.

TexasBear 01-08-2013 03:10 AM

In both of those situations you have admitted guilt. Never admit to anything.

"911. What is your emergency?"

"There has been a shooting at (address/nearby business) with (number of bad guys). I am in the parking lot in a green t-shirt and jeans. My name is (your name). There are more possible bad guys in the area so it is not safe for me to talk right now." Hang up.

No operator should say, stay on the phone even if it kills you.

You didn't lie. You didn't admit guilt. You just told the operator there was a shooting and you are a possible witness. You never admitted to being in a shooting. Call your lawyer if you have one for this type of situation. Hand the officer the phone and tell him, "this is my lawyer and all questions will need to go through him." Either way you are going to jail but you will be protected by your lawyer. Then you can calm down and make sure you say the "RIGHT" things and not something that will land you in prison for defending yourself.

If you don't have a lawyer, first off get one, second then just tell them "I called 911 and I am requesting a lawyer. Here's my CHL and I have a concealed gun on my right hip." Never admitted to anything but now they know you have the right to carry and that will help out a lot.

It ain't perfect but it will work.

DoyleTheDog 01-08-2013 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by TexasBear (Post 1084746)
In both of those situations you have admitted guilt. Never admit to anything.

"911. What is your emergency?"

"There has been a shooting at (address/nearby business) with (number of bad guys). I am in the parking lot in a green t-shirt and jeans. My name is (your name). There are more possible bad guys in the area so it is not safe for me to talk right now." Hang up.

No operator should say, stay on the phone even if it kills you.

You didn't lie. You didn't admit guilt. You just told the operator there was a shooting and you are a possible witness. You never admitted to being in a shooting. Call your lawyer if you have one for this type of situation. Hand the officer the phone and tell him, "this is my lawyer and all questions will need to go through him." Either way you are going to jail but you will be protected by your lawyer. Then you can calm down and make sure you say the "RIGHT" things and not something that will land you in prison for defending yourself.

If you don't have a lawyer, first off get one, second then just tell them "I called 911 and I am requesting a lawyer. Here's my CHL and I have a concealed gun on my right hip." Never admitted to anything but now they know you have the right to carry and that will help out a lot.

It ain't perfect but it will work.

When it comes to a self defense shooting why would you try to deny the fact that you had to stop the threat with your firearm? That would just make officers more on guard at the scene or give them reason to believe you're not being fully honest. You don't have to give EVERY single detail, but it would be pretty obvious that you shot the BG at that point anyways.

I still think Canebrake's post about concealed carrying is some of the best advice I've read.

JonM 01-08-2013 02:51 PM

Dont be all paranoid unless you are in some place like chitcago or newyork where its illegal to not let a gangbanger kill you.

Hiding the truth is what will hurt you or being evasive will hurt you. The investigation will get to the truth with you or without you. If it was true self defense the truth will set you free.

rifleman1 01-08-2013 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by JonM (Post 1085136)
Dont be all paranoid unless you are in some place like chitcago or newyork where its illegal to not let a gangbanger kill you.

Hiding the truth is what will hurt you or being evasive will hurt you. The investigation will get to the truth with you or without you. If it was true self defense the truth will set you free.

when and if a self defense shooting happens your emotions and adranaline will be running so high and fast you may forget all the scripts and preperations anyway,just remember to tell the truth and be ready for a long and unpleasent investigation that will set you free if it is deemed self defense,also remember there will be a cival trial more than likely brought on by the family this worries me more than the cops.

DoyleTheDog 01-08-2013 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by rifleman1 (Post 1085145)
when and if a self defense shooting happens your emotions and adranaline will be running so high and fast you may forget all the scripts and preperations anyway,just remember to tell the truth and be ready for a long and unpleasent investigation that will set you free if it is deemed self defense,also remember there will be a cival trial more than likely brought on by the family this worries me more than the cops.

If you're found innocent and it was deemed self defense by a judge and jury then a civil suit by the family most likely wouldn't go any where.

John_Deer 01-08-2013 03:22 PM

The best thing to say is I am not ready to take any questions right now. I don't feel so well. I need an ambulance. The police can not legally question you until you receive medical treatment. Going to the hospital buys you time to contact an attorney and get your act together. Other than preserving and pointing out evidence that proves you were attacked, say nothing.


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