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Old 10-25-2008, 01:21 AM   #11
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the current plan is to get in master closet wait for police all the while armed and ready to shoot anyone that comes in the bedroom.

Other than curtains to block looking into the windows, the film might help but it would seem a sharp knife could render it useless, not to mention youcan pry up a window. Easiest acces to my house is you hop the 5' privacy fence, go up to the deck and then either kick in a door or smash a window. At this point I'm up, armed and getting my daughter. If you are coming after us then you have one steel door to bust through,and then you have to pick a room. It has a steel door to, so you must kick it in. At this point I'm in fear for my life and I shoot you or I escape through the window.
The window film, if I am not mistaken, if put on the inside of the window directly on the glass. A knife wouldn't get to it from the outside.
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I figured once you smased you could force your knife right through to cut it.

I live in a 250 home subdivision. Acre or larger lots. , no sidewalks or street lights very dark. I live on a corner lot, the only cars that drive past are going into the culdesac behind us. Only one way out of the subdivision as we are surrounded by a farm and small river. I would be very surprised if our house was targeted.

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Maybe some back ground is in order. We moved from a transitional neighborhood into a normal one. At our old one there were two armed robberies in daylight, and many night time burglaries. We lived there 5 years, with 3 large barking dogs and had no problems. I did have a weapon during that time.

We moved and started to fix up the house we bought (a forclosure) (which needed a lot of work, new roof, basement leaked, floor joist sagging all over the place etc. etc.) We did have new windows and new AC/ furnance. I totally gutted and re did our kitchen. Left to do is the tile floor.

During this process anything that needs to be fixed or replaced is reevaluated. So the door leading to the garage had a boot mark in it, I needed to replace it. It was a hollow door so I could have just bought that, but I decided a steel one would work better (and be up to code). The door at the top of the stairs from the basement needed to be replaced too, i thought the same put a steel door there and it will be more secure. More secure mind you, not un kickdown able etc.


Why was I bothering at all to do that, well the things I saw in the old neighborhood got me thinking. That neighborhood went bad in 5 years, a certain type of illegal people bought houses there and would move in 15 people and 6 cars. CRAZY.It could happen anywhere and we want to stay here.

So then the wife wanted a doggie door installed in the basement for the dogs to be able to go outside during the day why we were gone. Well hell thats a wide open door right into our basement so I build this contraption....a solid wood door I can close and lock and unlock and open from upstairs.



Upstairs mechanism to open lock etc. the dog door...



However the basement is still and easy target but you would have to walk up out of the basement than beat this door down to get into the house. Only link to basement.

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Now the back of the house is an easy target with two door and a window right there on the deck....



Not much I can do about it. So if they are coming in they are coming in here.


Without and additional door here installed in the below picture.....


They have direct access to all three bedroom. I think causing that to be a choke point, a few second delay, giving me time to get everyone in the bedroom would be a decent idea. At least better than current setup where they can break a window and run back to the bedrooms as I'm trying to get my daughter.

I'm currently finishing staining a new solid wood double door (no sidelights, no peephole)for the front door and replacing the one you see in picture with glass surrounds.

How likely is any of this anyway? The break a door or window and the dogs go nuts and police get called. They still come into the house they are stupid but...why are they here? To rob well start taking it, to murder well then kick down the door, find the room I'm in, kick that door down and get your ass shot.

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Speaking of doors they are looking good, few more coats of the old Tung oil and some sanding.....




Those should be an improvement over this.....


both function now the space can be 5' vs 3' for moving **** in, and nobody can see in and no glass....

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Interesting developments here with the pictures and harleysilo making statements like this

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We do sleep with the blinds up no curtains and tv on and I'm well aware someone could look right in, from across the yard.
If you're well aware this is a tactical no no why the hell do you keep doing it ? Is your daughters room just as visible for strangers in the middle of the night ?

You ask "How likely is any of this anyway?" but no one can predict that , not even Police , criminologists and the slew of people who have worked with criminals all their lives .

How likely is it you could walk into a Casino with $5 and come out a Millionaire ? Not very but it does happen from time to time .

With the pictures the real truth of your homes security becomes apparent and frankly it isn't good .

While I can't with any authority say Matt is wrong when he says it isn't uncommon to find a criminal with a "Kit" I have never spoken to a cop or seen a News report of them with one as most are simple opportunists and from those pics with windows and glass everywhere you are giving them tons of opportunity . You have a back porch with 2 doors mostly glass and 2 windows and right next to them you so nicely provide them with a Propane tank and a small table to pick up and throw through them .

Then you have a major no no with a doggie door , can't you train the dogs to wait till the evening when you get home to hold it ? Put paper down in the basement floor and deal with them using it if they have to ? Take them out before you leave in the mornings and remove all sources of food and water till you get home .

If they aren't trained as guard dogs then they're typical dogs and probably go out and play in the yard when you're away , first I don't want my dogs to have a chance to interact with strangers in a positive way by being fed or petted which can be developed with the present situation . The doggie door is a double edged sword , if the basement has windows on the sides a person could see if the dogs are in the yard , smash a window jump in and lock the dogs in the yard and never worry about them while ransacking your home .

You seem a bit self defeating when you say things like windows can be pried up , sure they can but for a few bucks and the use of a drill you can stop that , drill a hole in both sides of the frame above the closed window and push in a metal pin or dowel problem solved .

A super ninja team hell bent on killing you at all costs will succeed but you wont be running into them , your average burglar is a dope fiend and just wants money and to get in and out in 5 minutes or less while not making any noise . Your average Killer takes advantage of the idiosyncrasies people have , they ask to use your phone or bathroom , if you've seen a lost pet or they present them selves as utilitiy worker and bang people open the doors and actually invite them in .

People need to make many many fundemental changes in life to be safe in todays world vs the 1950's the biggest probelm is most of them are between a persons ears and that's the hardest change to make .

You don't need to turn into a paranoid recluse to be safe but you and the wife need to make changes with leaving doors unlocked and blinds up all night long , heck chances are you get up and go to work and leave those blinds completely up while you're gone all day . If you shut your bedroom door as you leave you've just given a criminal one room that the dogs can't get in and it is also the room where most people keep their valuables like guns and jewlery to enter at .

Just like a car "Accident" you may not be at fault but that doesn't mean by paying attention to whats going on and using your head you can't avoid or greatly lessen the chances of being a serious crime victim .

Here is some information on the security film I suggest , watch the videos they are very helpful .

http://www.diywindowsecurity.com/
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Interesting developments here with the pictures and harleysilo making statements like this



If you're well aware this is a tactical no no why the hell do you keep doing it ? Is your daughters room just as visible for strangers in the middle of the night ?

You ask "How likely is any of this anyway?" but no one can predict that , not even Police , criminologists and the slew of people who have worked with criminals all their lives .

How likely is it you could walk into a Casino with $5 and come out a Millionaire ? Not very but it does happen from time to time .

With the pictures the real truth of your homes security becomes apparent and frankly it isn't good .

While I can't with any authority say Matt is wrong when he says it isn't uncommon to find a criminal with a "Kit" I have never spoken to a cop or seen a News report of them with one as most are simple opportunists and from those pics with windows and glass everywhere you are giving them tons of opportunity . You have a back porch with 2 doors mostly glass and 2 windows and right next to them you so nicely provide them with a Propane tank and a small table to pick up and throw through them .

Then you have a major no no with a doggie door , can't you train the dogs to wait till the evening when you get home to hold it ? Put paper down in the basement floor and deal with them using it if they have to ? Take them out before you leave in the mornings and remove all sources of food and water till you get home .

If they aren't trained as guard dogs then they're typical dogs and probably go out and play in the yard when you're away , first I don't want my dogs to have a chance to interact with strangers in a positive way by being fed or petted which can be developed with the present situation . The doggie door is a double edged sword , if the basement has windows on the sides a person could see if the dogs are in the yard , smash a window jump in and lock the dogs in the yard and never worry about them while ransacking your home .

You seem a bit self defeating when you say things like windows can be pried up , sure they can but for a few bucks and the use of a drill you can stop that , drill a hole in both sides of the frame above the closed window and push in a metal pin or dowel problem solved .

A super ninja team hell bent on killing you at all costs will succeed but you wont be running into them , your average burglar is a dope fiend and just wants money and to get in and out in 5 minutes or less while not making any noise . Your average Killer takes advantage of the idiosyncrasies people have , they ask to use your phone or bathroom , if you've seen a lost pet or they present them selves as utilitiy worker and bang people open the doors and actually invite them in .

People need to make many many fundemental changes in life to be safe in todays world vs the 1950's the biggest probelm is most of them are between a persons ears and that's the hardest change to make .

You don't need to turn into a paranoid recluse to be safe but you and the wife need to make changes with leaving doors unlocked and blinds up all night long , heck chances are you get up and go to work and leave those blinds completely up while you're gone all day . If you shut your bedroom door as you leave you've just given a criminal one room that the dogs can't get in and it is also the room where most people keep their valuables like guns and jewlery to enter at .

Just like a car "Accident" you may not be at fault but that doesn't mean by paying attention to whats going on and using your head you can't avoid or greatly lessen the chances of being a serious crime victim .

Here is some information on the security film I suggest , watch the videos they are very helpful .

http://www.diywindowsecurity.com/
You are right there is no good reason for us to sleep with the blinds open. We keep the blinds up mostly on the backyard side of the house cause we like to look outside. You would have to be trespassing to see in the windows.

Thanks for the suggestion to drill the windows, I'd forgotten about that option. The window frames are plastic so I'll need to figure out where the best location is.

The table on the back deck is heavy. It won't be thrown through anything. Maybe rolled into a glass door. The propane tank does need to me moved back to the front yard where it was previously stored. However, there are many other objects that could be thrown into a window. On that deck there are 6 chairs and a table, not to mention a grill and it's propane tank. Surely you are not suggesting and empty deck? There are some stacked bricks out side the backyard fence by the gate, I should remove those too. As well as the concrete paver walkway, all you have to do is bend down to pick up one of those and heave ho broken window. Bottom line is if someone wants to smash a window, they will try, i believe you are saying just don't give them anything to try it with, Good point.

I didn't design this house, but I did buy it. I'm actually going to have to rebuild the deck, but the new design will still have 3 windows and 2 glass doors easily accessible. I had considered removing the french doors on the left and returning it to just a wall (for non-security resasons), but there would still be 3 windows and 1 door.....

The security film seems like a great idea that is too good to be true. If it still allows the glass to fracture, at one of those fracture lines couldn't you push a knife right through?
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Harleysilo,

It appears that you have a good plan, but sometimes the best-layed plans don't do their job as intended. All of those things you've done so far, are for your own piece of mind. If a perp wants in, the perp will get in, plain & simple. The REAL objective is to make your dwelling LESS invitable than your neighbors. 99% of home invasions are done when you least expect it, and not likely as you had describbed...

We had a case reciently where a lady just answered her doorbell. The perp shot the woman in the chest when the door opened and they entered. Her husband was also shot while attempting to locate his gun. The childeren hid and were saved by a good plan layed out by the parents. The home was ransaked for money and credit cards.

They DIDN'T expect the perps to ring the doorbell, they DIDN't expect them to shoot them and walk in. Their home had a state-of-the-art alarm system, bars on the windows, and double deadbolts on the doors.

ALL the planning and preparation in the world won't replace "SITUATION AWARENESS". If the woman would not have opened her door without LOOKING and INQUIRING first, they would probably be alive today. If nothing else it would have bought them a little more time to evade.

Remember, making your home LESS invitable than your neighbors is the key. Keeping shrubs lower than the window sills, and no visible obstructions near doors, good automatic lighting, your dogs heard and possibly seen. The little things you do to the exterior of your home will make the difference.

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I've been making some preparations in this area as well. Although I live in a decent enough suburban neighborhood, if the economic worst case scenario develops, I think it's prudent to think about this stuff.

Just last week I had all of my lower level windows replaced with tempered, shatterproof glass. It was kinda pricey, but my old windows were single-pane and I should hopefully eventually get the cost back in energy savings. In addition to two dogs and a security system, I've started adding wireless IP cameras that let me see who is at the door, in the driveway, or behind the house.

The next big project is the front and back exterior doors, which look a lot like harleysilo's -- lots of glass, so an easy way in for a burglar, as well as easy for someone to peer in. I need to replace those with something more secure, but still maintain good aesthetics for the wife.

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Those should be an improvement over this.....


both function now the space can be 5' vs 3' for moving **** in, and nobody can see in and no glass....
My front door looks almost identical. What did you do about the sidelight windows?
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