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BeyondTheBox 12-03-2012 10:34 PM

So I've been doing a lot of research into varying brands & ballistics for both the 9mm & 45acp calibers. Most of what I've found in forums is either uninformed opinion, based on a lack of understanding, or uninformative & poorly presented opinion. It seems many brands purposefully omit certain stats that are crucial in selection for anyone actually trying to make an informed decision. Some sites list pertinent info such as barrel length(s) tested and penetration depth. Most just talk like people with paper a-holes (Critical Defense). What I've determined is the following for personal defense in modern "concealed carry" sized pistols (aka pocket pistols or mouse guns).

Best 9mm, for penetration through possible barriers (including clothing, glass, sheet rock & metal), reliable expansion & maintained velocity from shorter barrels is the Cor-Bon DPX 95gr solid copper. Manufacturer tested in 3.1in barrel.

Best 45acp, for same reasons above, is the Federal HydraShok 185gr JHP. Tested in 3.6 & 3.75 in barrels by two individual sources. 230gr recommended for longer barrels.

Now none of this can account for the gun's side of things. One should still test cycle reliability, grouping accuracy & expansion with each of their firearms. This is just an in general, broad scope determination based on my exhausting research and ballistics graphing taken from several different sources provided from individual user experiences and manufacturer reports.

*There are some very good non-standard rounds that I didn't include in my findings because I refuse to put the undue pressure on my guns, but the best I settled on was the Cor-Bon 115gr +P JHP 9mm and Speer Gold Dot for either 9mm or 45acp.

There's also some great info & recommendations on the following site, but without the precise stats I had to look further, and I'm glad I did... http://www.chuckhawks.com/ammo_by_anonymous.htm

Any further enlightening info from more educated and experienced users would be welcome. This is just what I've gathered from as many sources as I could find through my searches. There are plenty of other great brands, but I could find no statistical proof to back user claims and just saying that the FBI had been using them for years means nothing to me, I work on math only!

TexasBear 12-03-2012 11:05 PM

I like speer gold dot in 124 +p ammo for a 9mm. The below video shows the difference in 9mm vs 45 cal. It's just ballistics gel and doesn't show the damage in bone, clothing, etc.

I've heard from a lot of people the Speer got dot is the way to go for SD.


BeyondTheBox 12-03-2012 11:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TexasBear (Post 1037544)
I like speer gold dot in 124 +p ammo for a 9mm. The below video shows the difference in 9mm vs 45 cal. It's just ballistics gel and doesn't show the damage in bone, clothing, etc.

I've heard from a lot of people the Speer got dot is the way to go for SD.

Video Link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aPdl_egCaCA&feature=youtube_gdata_player

What is the barrel length of the handgun you carry these in?

TexasBear 12-04-2012 02:34 AM

4". My dad carries the 124 grain (not +p) in his 3". I have read about a lot of different reviews and it's all about what your looking for and what you might encounter as to what you wanna carry.

Honestly, 2-3 in the chest and it's really not gunna matter. One to the head for good measures.

BeyondTheBox 12-04-2012 02:55 AM

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Originally Posted by TexasBear (Post 1037872)
4". My dad carries the 124 grain (not +p) in his 3". I have read about a lot of different reviews and it's all about what your looking for and what you might encounter as to what you wanna carry.

Honestly, 2-3 in the chest and it's really not gunna matter. One to the head for good measures.

For me its not about the BG, it's about limiting liability and collateral damage from over penetration. You can carry what ya want, but I'm going to carry what statistically proves it will expand and still penetrates enough to be useful in self defense from the barrel length categories that my guns fit within. This is key for me.

armsmaster270 12-04-2012 08:28 AM

Depending on the firearm, I use Winchester Ranger ,45, Speer Gold Dot & winchester Ranger 124gr+P+ 9mm, Federal 38spl 110gr +P+, 125gr Gold Dot 357sig , and in .40 Winchester Ranger 180gr. I forgot speer 200gr Gold Dots in 44spl

hardluk1 12-04-2012 04:23 PM

I have stayed with a speer gold dot 124gr bullet in a +P load for years. Besides speers own ammo underwood and georgia arms load them too. All test show it then be one of a couple or the best 9mm loads out there. You will find that you still need to make up your own mind. Remenber too NO SINGLE SHOT for any of the run of the mill defence cartidges is a one shot stopper. Practice more often.


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