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Old 07-10-2013, 07:08 AM   #21
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Careful with your recommendations there Jester. The other day I started a thread with the updated list that the Feds had come up with (we have all seen similar lists in the past and many of the words are the same) when one of the Mods (either ScottA or JohnM) deleted the thread and sent me a PM saying that it was against Forum rules to target other forums or organizations in any way (I did suggest that we all use words from the list "freely and frequently").

Funny thing is that he did send me a PM and now it is not in my message box????? WTF???

Anyhow, here is the list of trigger words. Be careful not to use any words on this list 'cause some government puke to have to monitor yet another harmless person like you or the person on the receiving end of the message (I hope that satisfies the Mods).
Vikingdad,

I routinely make it a point to use the "trigger" words on that stupid list. If we all talk about "bombs", "blowing stuff up", and "bringing down airplanes", then the NSA's stupid spying scheme will be totally worthless because their computers will have to sift through so much garbage that they'll never find that special needle in the needle stack.

Who knows, we might force them to do actual spy stuff like supporting human intelligence operations against foreign nationals, which is what they're supposed to do. I know, I know... having government employees doing their job is crazy talk... kinda like Congress passing a budget.

Also NSA, if you're getting this, I want some better porn advertisements in my inbox, perhaps something from Hustler or Penthouse and you can keep all the Viagra/Cialis stuff, vitamin stuff, and get rich quick blah-blah stuff.

I decided to go icon crazy with this one, not sure why- it just popped into my head.
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Just recently, the inventor of the 3D printer firearms posted many of his designs to file servers and his own site. Over 300,000 downloads of the file were made before ALL of the sites were shut down and bearing a State Department logo. They were only blueprints and contained no dangerous information, but were prototype designs showing how it could be done. 3D printers are very few and far between, very expensive to buy and more expensive to stoke with the various plastics to try to create the parts. None of this stopped the State Department from interfering, claiming that the finished product was a terrorist device, as it could be smuggled past metal detectors.

Paladin Press was forced by the government to drop many of its titles after 9/11 because they were considered to contain instructions for making firearms, suppressors, explosives or dangerous devices. Up until then, all of these texts had been protected by the First Amendment, as a book on any subject wasn't considered dangerous or a crime until a person chose to act on it.

That's only two examples, but the last 15 years is rife with the government stepping in and shutting down sites, strong arming private business and suppressing trade "for our own good." If we were to start discussing attacks on "protected" groups, we would be accused of hate speech, racism, bigotry or any other felony that would be the grounds to shut down the entire forum.

Keep an eye out - you never know what direction they'll come at your compound! Shoot if it moves! :P
I am aware of the examples you mention. The files from DefCad are out there and available for download. The State department cannot possibly control all of the 300K + downloads that were achieved in the time before they shut it down. And that is the whole point of doing such a project in the first place. Civil disobedience.

As to Paladin Press, how many people reading this right now have a copy of a book or two from Paladin? How many reading this have a copy of Anarchists Cookbook?

Those two examples are a testimony to the importance of civil disobedience on the micro level such as sites like this and posts like mine. It is important for us to remain vigilant. It is our obligation to maintain pressure on the government in particular so that we do not lose all of our freedoms, not just the 1st and 2nd Amendments. We absolutely must attempt to keep pace with their efforts to monitor us because when we fall behind we will have been defeated by our own government.

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Vikingdad,

I routinely make it a point to use the "trigger" words on that stupid list. If we all talk about "bombs", "blowing stuff up", and "bringing down airplanes", then the NSA's stupid spying scheme will be totally worthless because their computers will have to sift through so much garbage that they'll never find that special needle in the needle stack.

Who knows, we might force them to do actual spy stuff like supporting human intelligence operations against foreign nationals, which is what they're supposed to do. I know, I know... having government employees doing their job is crazy talk... kinda like Congress passing a budget.

Also NSA, if you're getting this, I want some better porn advertisements in my inbox, perhaps something from Hustler or Penthouse and you can keep all the Viagra/Cialis stuff, vitamin stuff, and get rich quick blah-blah stuff.

I decided to go icon crazy with this one, not sure why- it just popped into my head.
Good form! keep on the pressure.
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I am aware of the examples you mention. The files from DefCad are out there and available for download. The State department cannot possibly control all of the 300K + downloads that were achieved in the time before they shut it down. And that is the whole point of doing such a project in the first place. Civil disobedience.

As to Paladin Press, how many people reading this right now have a copy of a book or two from Paladin? How many reading this have a copy of Anarchists Cookbook?

Those two examples are a testimony to the importance of civil disobedience on the micro level such as sites like this and posts like mine. It is important for us to remain vigilant. It is our obligation to maintain pressure on the government in particular so that we do not lose all of our freedoms, not just the 1st and 2nd Amendments. We absolutely must attempt to keep pace with their efforts to monitor us because when we fall behind we will have been defeated by our own government.



Good form! keep on the pressure.

<steps away from VikingDad while holding his hands up>

Uh-oh, now you've done it...you mentioned THE book that'll get you on every database there is!!!! That makes you one of those...those...tearurists!!! <cringe>

<grin>

...or a patriot. Depends on your point of view.

As for your post, I fully agree with you. Paladin Press continued to publish those books, they just sell them through independent dealers willing to defy the government and avoid selling them directly. The First Amendment is at least one of the amendments that most of the public still believes should be followed. However, it is an example of the premise you asked for that you said you couldn't believe. that was my only reason for listing those examples. Yes, through contacts and emails, the membership of this forum could re-form into another forum, but that doesn't stop special interests or the big "G" from suppressing or shutting don this forum. I'm sure Notdku and the moderators would like to keep all this <spins around with his arms out> just the way it is...without active outside interests.

KBD is right, I like the smileys! And descriptive text...
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I hate to see the assassination of any thread, particularly by cops or law enforcement. It is good to keep bobthefed busy reading, IMO. I hope he doesn't have a nuclear level outbreak of toxic agro terror when he reads this thread. pork mutation maritime domain awareness

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I see no good coming from this great idea.

http://gungeomarker.org/
Who are these people to judge responsible vs. irresponsible gun ownership?

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This smells of a left wing tactic that come to be when the newspapers had to stop printing name and address of CCW holders.
This, exactly.

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The solution here is a simple tactical equation...

If you can not avoid being "detected"... ensure your detection is meaningless.

IE... if your home comes up "tagged" on this app... Immediately "tag" every other home in your surrounding area.

Do it openly... with a bit of vitriol and when your libtard neighbors ask why... make sure they understand that the only thing this app would accomplish is a "shopping list" for criminal, violent, home invasion robbers.

...and as neighbors, since "one of them" felt my family should be "at risk"... I decided that as a community we should all jointly SHARE that risk.

There is an answer to STUPID... and it is to SCREW them twice as hard as they SCREW you.
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I was thinking the same thing. Ideally, I'd like to locate the homes of the makers of the app and ensure they are tagged.

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The project made slashdot, with an odd comment. Yes, I guess this is the same as “publicly geotag homes of people believed to belong to a particular religion”. True enough, if your religion requires live child sacrifices to appease a cold, tubular god.
I'd really like to have a private word with this douche. It practically oozes arrogance of a sort that cries out for some wall to wall counseling.
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The developers info is:

Brett Stalbaum | The Visual Arts Department at UC San Diego
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UC San Diego, 9500 Gilman Dr., La Jolla, CA 92093 (858) 534-2230 Copyright © 2013 Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved.

His phone number (he posted it himself on the Geotagging FB page)

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Gun Geo Marker So I am wondering. How are you feeling about putting fake marks in the database instead of using the app as it is designed to mark any real concerns that you might be aware of? As always, we are taking your questions and comments at: (225) 267-7346
He is asking for input. I am going to call him and give him some.
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Who are these people to judge responsible vs. irresponsible gun ownership?

This, exactly.



I was thinking the same thing. Ideally, I'd like to locate the homes of the makers of the app and ensure they are tagged.


I'd really like to have a private word with this douche. It practically oozes arrogance of a sort that cries out for some wall to wall counseling.
Wall to Wall Counseling...HAHAHAHA

First time I heard that phrase it was in relation to a Staff Sergeant who threw and Army Dentist "Captain" of off every wall in his little exam room.

Apparently the SSG's wife was having some work done, the dentist thought her pain tolerance was WAY TOO LOW... and called her some choice names in regard to her wincing and asking for more nova cane.

Of course, he did not know that her Infantry SSG husband heard his comments from the waiting room... but he did find out!

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Anyone see this article? It doesn't seem as though the locations submitted are vetted in any way. Hopefully some law suits are filed, especially when homes listed are burglarized.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/07/10/need-to-track-dangerous-guns-and-owners-theres-an-app-for-that/

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I've reported it to Google as inappropriate content since its only purpose is to disseminate private 3rd party information. I suggest everyone else do so as well.

Here is the link to the app:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=edu.ucsd.visarts.walkingtools.gungeomar ker&feature=search_result#?t=W251bGwsMSwxLDEsImVkd S51Y3NkLnZpc2FydHMud2Fsa2luZ3Rvb2xzLmd1bmdlb21hcmt lciJd

Here is the link to the reporting form:
https://support.google.com/googleplay/android-developer/contact/takedown?rd=1

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Pointless. It doesn't even work.

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