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Old 04-24-2014, 11:40 PM   #21
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As far as speed being the enemy of a hollow point bullet? That kind of thinking is about 20 years behind the times. Modern bullets utilize "controlled expansion". The size and volume of the hollow cavity and the design of the serrations in the jacket are carefully thought out to allow for expansion AND penetration at expected impact velocities.
I trust FMJs much more than HPs. Do some ballistics tests. If you don't have

gelatin, try soaking wet phone books. Actual results, VS claims, may be a

real eye opener. The FMJ pretty much does what you expect it to.

HPs are a different game entirely.
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another thing to consider is that over the last several years, the ammo makers and the bullet makers have been putting a lot of research and development into SD bullets and ammo. many of them are trying to optimize velocity and expansion for optimum results for the round to perform as needed when needed.

IMO, bullets and ammo for SD usage have come quite a ways over the last several years. what use to be better for SD is not always the case today.

my suggestions is still going to be to try out whatever you are thinking of using for SD to see for yourself how it performs. IMO, most SD from all the major ammo makers should perform quite well for most people and most uses.
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I trust FMJs much more than HPs. Do some ballistics tests. If you don't have

gelatin, try soaking wet phone books. Actual results, VS claims, may be a

real eye opener. The FMJ pretty much does what you expect it to.

HPs are a different game entirely.
I have a good friend who is a ballistics examiner for a major LE agency. He has personally looked at over 100 Speer Gold Dots fired into people. 100% expanded properly, retained 100% of their weight and penetrated properly. I TRUST Speer God Dots, period!
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As to "speed" and HPs, when you are talking FPS, speed is the HPs

enemy. A HP expands much better at 45ACP speeds-@850 FPS, vs

@1400FPS of faster, smaller calibers.
It really depends on the hardness of the bullet material. An example would be a 9mm Federal Hi Shok. In a standard load often the Hi Shok bullet will fail to expand. Yet, you take the exact same Hi Shok bullet and put it in a 9mm +p load it will expand perfectly every time.
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John, funny you should mention the "Hi-Shok's." I have 2 full boxes of the Std. Load + a Third box about half filled. Maybe I have shot Gelatin 3 times my entire life, but I have done in Lots of Wet phone books, wooden bowling pins, and Melons. They(Hi Shoks) aren't as good as even Federals on Hydra Shoks, or other Plus P's, but they are better then heavier 147Gr. And even some 124Gr. LRN's...
Either way, I don't feel like being hit by any of them...I have nice neat holes in an old Metal Cane I was using as a target Stand, and I butterfly clip that was holding cardboard target backs onto target stakes, which has a nice neat hole in it...imageuploadedbyfirearms-talk1398420001.961086.jpg
The clip was holding the target in place at the top of the Stand with two others on the sides...this ones a head shot...
The Mangled 22 was a double Charged Mini-Mag out of about 15 loose ones I had...

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My pellet rifle will ventilate that aluminum cane. Can we see something new?
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I have moved to pretty much nothing but HP ammo for carry. But a lot of that is based on newer bullet designs. Companies like Hornady, Speer, and Winchester have gone pretty far in devleoping bullets for specific calibers and velocity ranges. They use tougher jackets, selected lead and jacket alloys for hardness, bonded jackets, tapered jackets, reverse tapered jackets, all to try to attain proper penetration while getting predictable expansion and weight retention. Some loads, even in the same caliber and bullet weight may use differnt powders and bullet construction for short barreled guns. Things have come a long way since the days of Nyclads, Silvertips, and flying ashtrays.

I typically go with Gold Dots, or Winchester Ranger T loads. They feed reliably, they are very consistent in accuracy, which are my first two priorities, The tests I have done in Gel, water jugs, wet news print, and wet cloth, have shown these bullets to penetrate well, retain bullet weight and jacket integrety and expand reliably. As long as they feed reliably and hit accurately, the next worst thing they can do is fail to expand, and then I'm no worse off than using an FMJ.
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