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theskunk1946 04-18-2011 05:59 PM

Florida LEOs oppose 'Open Carry'
 
Florida Sheriffs announce they will 'Draw down' on anyone with an open carry. The sheriff says 'Look for tragedies, as deputies won't hesitate if they feel threatened.


LeoGripster 04-18-2011 06:21 PM

Wow, that's an overreaction. Granted they may be in FL, but seriously???

It's like Open Range on the open carry populus.

BTW, criminals typically never, never, never open carry. If a man walks into a bank to rob it, he doesn't wear the pistol openly but conceals it until necessary. While working in a bank for years, I was never robbed by an open carry customer (AZ). I was robbed by the guys who had their guns hidden in their pockets.

I've never felt threatened by someone open carrying. In tend to be more courteous than the general public.

c3shooter 04-18-2011 06:41 PM

If a law enforcement officer "draws down" on someone for no other reason than they are legally, openly carrying a firearm, two events should follow. The first is a CRIMINAL charge against the LEO for brandishing a firearm. The second is the CIVIL suit against the LEO AND his employer for the assault- and make no mistake, THAT is an assault- defined as "A threat to do harm, accompanied by the present apparent ability to carry out that threat."

As far as the Sheriff goes- they are elected officials. THAT problem should be cured at the ballot box, and the idiot sent on his way- minus his badge.

My home state has been an "open carry" state for some years. I must have missed the news reports concerning the rivers of blood resulting from that.:cool:

ninjatoth 04-18-2011 07:34 PM

I think if the whole country did away with ccw's,cpl's,cwp's etc and let all legal gun owners carry concealed there would be no increase in crime other than rare instances of domestic type violence where a non ccw holder happened to be carrying when he wouldn't have been otherwise,but all in all I think crime would stay the same or even go down.

dog2000tj 04-18-2011 08:01 PM

Forget waiting for the next election, why don't the fine people of Florida recall this putz? As C3 mentioned if this plays out look for the folks of Florida to incur enormous legal liabilities. :eek: Yeah, I'd have a huge problem with any officer drawing on me while doing nothing wrong. :mad:

IGETEVEN 04-18-2011 09:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by c3shooter (Post 489112)
If a law enforcement officer "draws down" on someone for no other reason than they are legally, openly carrying a firearm, two events should follow. The first is a CRIMINAL charge against the LEO for brandishing a firearm. The second is the CIVIL suit against the LEO AND his employer for the assault- and make no mistake, THAT is an assault- defined as "A threat to do harm, accompanied by the present apparent ability to carry out that threat."

As far as the Sheriff goes- they are elected officials. THAT problem should be cured at the ballot box, and the idiot sent on his way- minus his badge. :cool:


What C3 said. :cool:


Quote:

Originally Posted by theskunk1946 (Post 489102)
Florida Sheriffs announce they will 'Draw down' on anyone with an open carry. The sheriff says 'Look for tragedies, as deputies won't hesitate if they feel threatened.


Sadly, it works both ways. :rolleyes:

Overkill0084 04-18-2011 09:46 PM

So, why exactly, would LEOs feel threatened by a holstered weapon in plain sight? It's not like your typical criminal is going to be open carrying.
I've noticed that there are always groups of politicians posing as LEOs claiming to speak for all of Law Enforcement.

danf_fl 04-18-2011 11:59 PM

Somehow, I get the feeling that the small representation shown does not look at the whole picture.

theskunk1946 04-20-2011 03:29 AM

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/__C1WFqaUST...0/sherriff.jpg

This guy is elected, and just a politician type. The real question is who are the ones backing this Barney Fife?

OfcFriendly 04-23-2011 12:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by c3shooter (Post 489112)
If a law enforcement officer "draws down" on someone for no other reason than they are legally, openly carrying a firearm, two events should follow. The first is a CRIMINAL charge against the LEO for brandishing a firearm. The second is the CIVIL suit against the LEO AND his employer for the assault- and make no mistake, THAT is an assault- defined as "A threat to do harm, accompanied by the present apparent ability to carry out that threat."

As far as the Sheriff goes- they are elected officials. THAT problem should be cured at the ballot box, and the idiot sent on his way- minus his badge.

My home state has been an "open carry" state for some years. I must have missed the news reports concerning the rivers of blood resulting from that.:cool:

Now I personally agree with you that the Sheriff is totally overreacting. However, it's not criminal for an officer to draw down on someone if a threat being present (or the fear of the possibility of impending threat). I understand that a holstered weapon is not an immediate threat, but you also have to understand that police officers are allowed to break certain laws while on duty (i.e. traffic laws), and drawing down on someone because the officer feeling "threatened" is NOT criminal. I couldn't tell you how many times I drew down on someone and they didn't have a gun. It's my safety, the safety of my fellow officers, and the safety of third-parties first. I'm going home at night. If I or my dept got sued for me drawing down on someone, I would owe people about $200,000.00. Granted, I didn't work in the best area, and we are one of two States that don't allow concealed carry. So if I see, or feel a gun, they're getting one aimed at their torso.


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