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Old 07-16-2007, 03:01 AM   #11
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One thing for sure is if possible, do not be a static target but be moving and not in a manner to lose sight of the attacker(s). Hopefully if any of you are in a bad situation you see it coming rather then being blind-sided.

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Last summer, I was heading in to work and stopped at a gas station. While fueling up, I noticed two shady-looking characters hanging around just outside the gas station door. They were teenagers, it was 4:30 in the morning, and they were dressed like typical street scum. As I filled my tank I saw them whisper something to each other, and one of them pointed at me. It was then that I decided to make them aware that I'm a poor choice for a target. I made stern eye contact with them, much like a cop would. They turned and walked the other way.

My bank devised an interesting strategy to deter criminals. Shortly after they had been robbed twice, they hired a door greeter. This man has a clipboard and bank forms ready to hand out as people walk in the door, but I'm sure that's not their reason for hiring him. When you walk in, he makes eye contact, asks how you're doing and if you need anything. I'm certain the idea is to make a would-be robber uncomfortable, because nobody walks in without being noticed and spoken to.

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Old 07-17-2007, 07:33 AM   #13
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eye would agree that people who dont have the best intentions tend to get a little uncomfortable with eye contact. but bottom line, if you are carrying, either get the confidence or stop carrying, because carrying allows you a certain amount of confidence which you may not have had before, and not all eye contact is bad eye contact, people say hi through eye contact, some people can even say i love you through eye contact, i am deviating from the point though, if it is eye contact with a possible subject that may attack, hold that eye contact, never take your eyes off of him. if he advances in a hostile manner, draw on him, provide the warning, and if it is not heeded, then fire if its a life threatening situation. you have no other recourse. and as previously stated, when drugs are involved all bets are off. i once encountered a guy that was drugged up on only god knows what, not only did i spray him twice and almost point blank range and get him in the eyes and mouth, but he continued to advance blindly, and i had to resort to my baton. my partner and myself both utilized batons, i stepped in front of my partner initially because he drew his baton first, but i was hoping the pepper spray would stop the suspect and it didnt, we both defended with batons, i bending mine around the suspects knee. had to buy myself a new baton after that. but it was amazing that the suspect still managed to stagger away and even made an attempt to leave the scene. I was surprised he could even stand after being hit in the knee and arm the way he had. thank god neither of us drew our weapons, but as eratic as his behavior was and as uncontrollable as the situation was, he was too close for a firearm to be anything other then a danger to use. subduing him was our only concern and a firearm wouldnt have done it. that is why I always carry pepper spray, a baton, and a punch knife, because sometimes a firearm just isnt necessary, sometimes there no time, sometimes its more of a threat then it is a savior. for close quarters, always have a knife, it allows you to stab and then retreat. which allows you the distance to draw without the firearm being a threat. trust me, after you've put a knife into someone, it changes the dynamics of everything. blood can be very persuasive, it reminds us of our mortality, drugs or no drugs, pain is not always an indicator that we are alive, it lets us know that things are not going as planned. personally, if you can fire off pepper spray as the subject is advancing, even better, they cant see when you draw on them.

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Now, granted, encounters with these two groups in the USA are pretty rare right now. But over time, that will change, because the USA has no coherent border control strategy. Also, when the common street thug realizes how successful these two groups can be, the street thugs will begin to emulate them.
If that happens, it's either time to move out of that area or begin utilizing open carry.
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I feel like would-be attackers seek anonymity, and surprise. If one meets their gaze ..... not long enough to challenge, but long enough to indicate, " I see you, I know what you look like, and I know you're there." ... I think they'll move on.....
+1. You probably don't want to come across as challenging to someone who's a possible threat, simply aware and alert. If they know that YOU know they are there, most BG's will move on to easier pickings.
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Does anyone have any ideas on the effects of eye contact on attacker psychology in situations in which one would need personal protection?

Some say they will attack when you look away for instance, some say they won't approach you if you make eye contact, and others say that they will approach if you make eye contact because they have an inner instinct that tells them to, there are alot of theories, what are your experiences?
I think young punks looking for a fight will likely find one with YOU if you lock onto their stare. It's as if they're daring someone to stare back at them. They're not really interested in what you've got in your wallet as much the joy they'll feel in potentially beating your azz. A bonified "mugger" is a predatory pile of cow dung who's looking for a victim. Folks who walk around looking six feet in front of them like they're looking for pennnies have VICTIM written right across their foreheads. They'll more likely be mugged.

Depending on the situation I both make eye contact and avoid it, depending on which of the two scenarios I've described above. IMO there's no hard and fast rules. You need to constantly evaluate your situations.
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Depends on what stage you are in during an encounter. With distance involved, ensuring a potential threat recognizes that you are aware of your surroundings, and them, theres a good chance they may look for an easier (unaware) target. But once a threat is in your face, direct eye contact does 2 things; 1) it challenges them which only serves to fuel a confrontation and 2) if they are experienced they'll be looking to read your eyes. Most of us will give away our intentions immedately before taking action giving our attacker time to initiate action of their own. Try to read their face through your peripheral vision: Besides, being a wolf in sheeps clothing isn't necessarily a bad thing. Gives you the element of surprise.

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We are animals, predators. We have binocular vision to give us depth perception for taking down prey. In the animal kingdom there are predators and there are prey. The predators do not eat the other predators. The criminal element are the worst kind of predators. They are wolves. The wolves do not attack the sheepdogs. They attack the sheep. One of the typical behaviors of the sheep is to look away from the predator, refuse to acknowlege his presense and get into the herd for protection. The wolf can only kill one of us, I hope it is not me.

I have been a cop for nearly 25 years. I have seen my share of wolves. They will make eye contact. When you lock eyes with them you are telling them you are not a sheep, you are not food. You may kill me but, you cannot eat me. Wolves are looking for an easy meal. If you are going to put up a fight they will move on to another flock looking for sheep.

Open your eyes and be a sheepdog.


Very well said!

I keep my eyes wide open all the time & I hope that the predators see that I won't allow myself to be their prey. They need to see my confidence though my eyes & in everything I do. They will need to find other prey that won't fight back.
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I make immediate and locked in eye contact. There are less than two seconds from pull to fire so I need all the information I can get and as quickly as possible. Because although I pull to fire, they do have the option to break it off. Also I observe body language. Anything that I can use to tell me to stop the fire.

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I think direct eye contact could be a double edged sword, sure it make the person know you are aware of them but like someone else stated it also serve as a challenge to some young punk. only a few times have I ever got that just not right feeling about someone, so I would just look in there general direction and if we did make eye contact i would give a nod, this way I do not come off as aggresive but they now know I am aware of thier presence, of course it also helps that I am 6'4" and 260lbs, and if worse comes to worse I usually have some sort of firearm on me. since it is winter and the clothes are bulkier I usually have my XD 45 compact on me.

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