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TekGreg 09-18-2013 07:09 AM

Extreme CCW Concept - If You Dare
 
This is a concept gun that was built for CCW in Ohio...well, sort of. A little explanation is necessary. In Ohio, ANY rifle must be transported in a car, unloaded, with ammo in separate container, preferably locked. A loaded magazine is equivalent to a loaded rifle, so no loaded magazines. CCW law says a pistol may be carried loaded in a vehicle, either on a person or loose in the car.

Since this law only allows for pistols to be loaded in a vehicle, a friend of mine wanted to build a weapon that could serve as backup to a pistol in an extreme situation and still be legal. The weapon had to classify as a pistol but fire a rifle round and have better range than a pistol. SMGs were considered and some carbines, but either performance or range were ineffective. Finally, one accessory made the concept gun possible: The Sig Sauer SB15 Stabilizing Brace purchased from Headshot Tactical Customs for $155. This is a BATFE-approved brace that mounts to a pistol buffer tube on an AR-15 pistol. The brace is hollow and slides over your forearm as you hold the AR pistol and is held on by a nylon strap. In an emergency, though, if you have no time to fasten it to your forearm, the weapon can be shouldered using the back of the brace, as it is hard enough to be used as such.

This is a fully compliant AR-15 pistol that can have a loaded magazine in it and ride in a vehicle in Ohio as long as someone in the vehicle has a CCW. The first State Trooper it was presented to and asked what he would do if he saw it in a car said he'd put his Glock to the driver's temple and prone him out. :eek: After it was explained he agreed it was legal, but said it would probably freak out the average officer. So if anyone has a similar state law and wants a backup weapon in their vehicle, this could be the answer! Just be prepared to educate any LEO you encounter. :D

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JW357 09-18-2013 07:15 AM

It's a very good idea by Sig and I applaud them for thinking outside of the box.

That being said, I don't see it staying classified as a pistol for more than a few years. I can see them at the BATFE realizing it can be shouldered, so therefore should be an SBR.

Or making it illegal.

I hope I'm wrong. My pessimism is showing again.

TekGreg 09-18-2013 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by JW357 (Post 1375636)
It's a very good idea by Sig and I applaud them for thinking outside of the box.

That being said, I don't see it staying classified as a pistol for more than a few years. I can see them at the BATFE realizing it can be shouldered, so therefore should be an SBR.

Or making it illegal.

I hope I'm wrong. My pessimism is showing again.

No, it's not pessimism. But Sig provides a copy of the current BATFE approval letter at the bottom of the page linked above. At least it can be fun for now. :D

c3shooter 09-18-2013 10:47 AM

I would be surprised if the firearm depicted were not classed as an AOW or SBR. Not from the "brace", but from the handgrip on the forearm. Hangun has been defined as "intended to be held and fired with one hand". Put a grip in there for the other hand, game changes.

Purely my opinion, may be wrong.

MisterMcCool 09-18-2013 11:21 PM

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Franklin Armory came out with something similar but without the butt stock. I guess the BATFE is relaxing? I don't understand how it cannot be classified as a pistol or rifle, yet is not designated an any other weapon. :confused:
http://www.franklinarmory.com/PRODUCTS_XO-26.html

TekGreg 09-19-2013 05:55 AM

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Originally Posted by c3shooter (Post 1375681)
I would be surprised if the firearm depicted were not classed as an AOW or SBR. Not from the "brace", but from the handgrip on the forearm. Hangun has been defined as "intended to be held and fired with one hand". Put a grip in there for the other hand, game changes.

Purely my opinion, may be wrong.

C3, Ohio does not allow fore grips or pistol grips on the forearm of a pistol. What's on the front of the gun in the picture is a MagPul AFG (Angled Fore Grip) and it is not prohibited on a pistol to my knowledge...yet. Of course, if that were to change its classification, it's removal would be swift. :)

AR10 09-19-2013 07:20 AM

Mares Leg pistols are another alternative if you are looking to push the envelope. I own an AR pistol as well as a Mares Leg. Great fun.

Half of getting through life, well, is not ticking off your dancing partner. LEOs are on the side of the good guys, as well as Concealed Carry folks should be. Using as a CC firearm that will not bother the local police, is a good goal. Blend in, fit in. An AR pistol, is not a blend in, fit in sidearm.

Doc3402 09-19-2013 08:36 AM

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This is a fully compliant AR-15 pistol that can have a loaded magazine in it and ride in a vehicle in Ohio as long as someone in the vehicle has a CCW. The first State Trooper it was presented to and asked what he would do if he saw it in a car said he'd put his Glock to the driver's temple and prone him out. After it was explained he agreed it was legal, but said it would probably freak out the average officer. So if anyone has a similar state law and wants a backup weapon in their vehicle, this could be the answer! Just be prepared to educate any LEO you encounter.
That right there is enough reason for me to run from this idea. Having a very nervous adrenalin charged person holding a Glock to my temple isn't very high on my To Do list. As far as educating any LEO you encounter, when has that ever worked when the suspect is the intended instructor?


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