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Old 07-01-2012, 05:10 PM   #11
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He said yesterday that all parking areas are exempt to where you cannot carry
I might of missed something. When you say "he", who are you referring to?
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My cpl instructor, he is also the captain of our local sheriffs department.

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Here's that one source of MI info. mentioned in other post.
http://www.michigan.gov/documents/msp/MSP_Legal_Update_No._86_2_336854_7.pdf

Read the very bottom line too. It is just for informational purposes -
(for the state police) and they are instructed to contact their local
prosecutor for interpretation of this information.

zombiegirl - or any person should not ask police officers.
police offericers and armed citizens should get their information
from your states attorney general, DA, or PA.

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Here's that one source of MI info. mentioned in other post.
http://www.michigan.gov/documents/msp/MSP_Legal_Update_No._86_2_336854_7.pdf

Read the very bottom line too. It is just for informational purposes -
(for the state police) and they are instructed to contact their local
prosecutor for interpretation of this information.

zombiegirl - or any person should not ask police officers.
police offericers and armed citizens should get their information
from your states attorney general, DA, or PA.
Thanks for the link.
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Oh yeah - congrats weids - the cpl classes just scratched the surface of
what all is involved in carrying a firearm. Hope it went well.

Did you have an attorney speak to your group?
We had one from the county prosecuting attorneys office.
If there is ever an occasion you have to use your firearm, these
are they people that pull out all the state laws and tell you what's what.
It's also good to know where your county prosecutor & local police stand on gun ownership. They're the ones that decide your fate.

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I was told that I could not, under any circumstances, have my gun in my car while teaching. I asked the police officer that is head of security for the District.
NEVER ask a cop about the law...ask a LAWYER.

Its not the business of a cop to know the law nor is a cop bound to give proper advice.

Its the business of a lawyer to know the law and are bound, by law, to give proper advice.

I am not a lawyer, but this is what i have been able to find concerning carrying on school grounds/functions. (IN not MI) The things i found relevant i have highlighted. Its confusing at least to me...but i live by the idea of "tried by 12 as opposed to being carried by 6". I refuse the idea of safe shelters for criminals and assorted other scumbags.

Information Maintained by the Office of Code Revision Indiana Legislative Services Agency
IC 35-47-9
Chapter 9. Possession of Firearms on School Property and School Buses

IC 35-47-9-0.1
Repealed
(Repealed by P.L.63-2012, SEC.78.)

IC 35-47-9-1
Exemptions from chapter
Sec. 1. This chapter does not apply to the following:
(1) A:
(A) federal;
(B) state; or
(C) local;
law enforcement officer.
(2) A person who has been employed or authorized by:
(A) a school; or
(B) another person who owns or operates property being used by a school for a school function;
to act as a security guard, perform or participate in a school function, or participate in any other activity authorized by a school.
(3) A person who:
(A) may legally possess a firearm; and
(B) possesses the firearm in a motor vehicle that is being operated by the person to transport another person to or from a school or a school function.

As added by P.L.140-1994, SEC.11.

IC 35-47-9-2
Possession of firearms on school property, at school function, or on school bus; felony
Sec. 2. A person who possesses a firearm:
(1) in or on school property;
(2) in or on property that is being used by a school for a school function; or
(3) on a school bus;
commits a Class D felony.
As added by P.L.140-1994, SEC.11.
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NEVER ask a cop about the law...ask a LAWYER.

Its not the business of a cop to know the law nor is a cop bound to give proper advice.

Its the business of a lawyer to know the law and are bound, by law, to give proper advice.

I am not a lawyer, but this is what i have been able to find concerning carrying on school grounds/functions. (IN not MI) The things i found relevant i have highlighted. Its confusing at least to me...but i live by the idea of "tried by 12 as opposed to being carried by 6". I refuse the idea of safe shelters for criminals and assorted other scumbags.

Information Maintained by the Office of Code Revision Indiana Legislative Services Agency
IC 35-47-9
Chapter 9. Possession of Firearms on School Property and School Buses

IC 35-47-9-0.1
Repealed
(Repealed by P.L.63-2012, SEC.78.)

IC 35-47-9-1
Exemptions from chapter
Sec. 1. This chapter does not apply to the following:
(1) A:
(A) federal;
(B) state; or
(C) local;
law enforcement officer.
(2) A person who has been employed or authorized by:
(A) a school; or
(B) another person who owns or operates property being used by a school for a school function;
to act as a security guard, perform or participate in a school function, or participate in any other activity authorized by a school.
(3) A person who:
(A) may legally possess a firearm; and
(B) possesses the firearm in a motor vehicle that is being operated by the person to transport another person to or from a school or a school function.
As added by P.L.140-1994, SEC.11.

IC 35-47-9-2
Possession of firearms on school property, at school function, or on school bus; felony
Sec. 2. A person who possesses a firearm:
(1) in or on school property;
(2) in or on property that is being used by a school for a school function; or
(3) on a school bus;
commits a Class D felony.
As added by P.L.140-1994, SEC.11.
Thanks for the info. I only asked the guy at my District because I know him. I will look into what you posted.
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I was told that I could not, under any circumstances, have my gun in my car while teaching. I asked the police officer that is head of security for the District.
First of all, it's a BAD IDEA to ask a police officer for legal advice.

Learn your state laws, talk to a 2A qualified attorney.

In MI for example, one can have a conceal carry firearm (with a CPL) in the parking lot of a school. They can OPEN CARRY in the school with a CPL. BUT, the school district can prohibit their employees from even carrying a firearm in transport mode in their vehicle. MI firearm laws are screwy.
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My cpl instructor, he is also the captain of our local sheriffs department.
I have seen some AWFUL legal information come from LEO's, NO MATTER WHAT THEIR POSITION!

One of the worst pieces of advice I heard from a LEO CPL instructor, MI laws specify that one can not conceal carry in an intertainment facility that seats more than 2,500 people. Question was asked on Cobo Hall (not arena, but hall). He stated that if everybody that was in the facility sat down, more than 2,500 people would be seated {sigh}.

Interesting side note on the 2,500 question, if a facility states they have a seating capacity of 2,500, we can't conceal carry... but if the facility has a fire marshall limit of 1,500 then are you violating the law?
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First of all, it's a BAD IDEA to ask a police officer for legal advice.

Learn your state laws, talk to a 2A qualified attorney.

In MI for example, one can have a conceal carry firearm (with a CPL) in the parking lot of a school. They can OPEN CARRY in the school with a CPL. BUT, the school district can prohibit their employees from even carrying a firearm in transport mode in their vehicle. MI firearm laws are screwy.
I was more asking him the District's policy. Downfall to working at a school.......
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