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Old 04-14-2014, 03:16 AM   #91
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I am not certain if this was mentioned, but are people familiar with a Terry stop?

Let me start with this: In some states, you are REQUIRED to inform the officer. In those states, INFORM THE OFFICER. Period. Simple as that.

In other states, like here in Virginia, I have no legal requirement to inform the officer, HOWEVER, when the officer runs my tag (if the vehicle is registered to me. 2 of the 3 I drive daily are) the LARGEST letters on his screen, in bright green, says Concealed Carry Permit Holder. So, he probably already knows.

Now, for the Terry stop: A Terry Stop, also known as a Stop and Frisk, is perfectly legal per Terry v. Ohio, WITHOUT a warrant or even Probable Cause. ANY Law Enforcement Officer can ask you to step out of the vehicle, and frisk you for weapons, to ensure their own safety, WITHOUT A WARRANT!

With that being said, before we try to get all high and mighty, if you are required to tell, then tell. If not, they can still find out without a warrant. And, if you make the officer jump through ALL those hoops to figure it out for themselves, do you REALLY think you'll get off with a warning?!

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IIRC, a LEO's pay comes from the taxes collected from the citizens in which he works for. that LEO made the career choice he made. no one forced him into that line of work. so as a servant of the people, yes he is required to act in a certain manner. these facts seem to elude this newer generation of LEO's.

i remember the motto, "To protect and serve" being on every police car. is that not being observed anymore these days? or it is considered old-fashioned?
So are you saying it is a sport and LEO's are fair game because they chose this job???
If so I am sorry to here that. I thought you had more respect for those of us who as you say 'made the career choice'.
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I've been courteous to every Cop I've ever encountered... Rudeness is for kids looking to prove something.

I simply see no need to inject an unrelated topic into the transaction.

Been stopped 5 times in the 20 years I've been carrying a gun, was armed every time, both I and the officer were cordial every time "with 1 notable exception" "see my past thread titled Funny Traffic Stop"... ...and I've never been asked if I had a weapon, never been asked to exit the vehicle, never heard anything from the Cop that was not related to the traffic issue he stopped me for.

Maybe WA and OR Hiway Patrolmen are just better trained than others? Maybe a grey haired 40+ professional in a clean vehicle does not at rouse their curiosity? Maybe I'm just lucky and one day some wet behind the ear rookie will wind up cuffed to his own brush guard and placed under citizens arrest for "attempting"
to violate my rights...

Who knows?

For my part, I will continue to follow the law to the letter, and expect any professional LEO with reason to contact me to do the same.

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All it takes is ONE surprise and ONE mistake to make for a VERY BAD DAY FOR ALL!!! Why chance it? Just use common sense and common courtesy. Is that to much to ask of those we serve??????
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All it takes is ONE surprise and ONE mistake to make for a VERY BAD DAY FOR ALL!!! Why chance it? Just use common sense and common courtesy. Is that to much to ask of those we serve??????
Some of you people are just scared to death, I been stopped out of state also and never been asked if I was carring a weapon. I just never tell them unless its on a need to know bascis.

Just funny how people react to such things.
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All it takes is ONE surprise and ONE mistake to make for a VERY BAD DAY FOR ALL!!! Why chance it? Just use common sense and common courtesy. Is that to much to ask of those we serve??????
I don't see it as a "courtesy" thing. Now... If I had prison tats running up my next, drove a trashed beater, or otherwise "looked" like someone LEO's would be concerned with... Then I might consider handing my CCW over with my license but my reality is that I'm "not that guy."

If I'm asked to exit, I would certainly hand over the CCW before getting out because sure... I don't want to look like I'm hiding anything, but during the course of a "normal" stop, I just see how my status is relevant unless the officer asks.

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I don't see it as a "courtesy" thing. Now... If I had prison tats running up my next, drove a trashed beater, or otherwise "looked" like someone LEO's would be concerned with... Then I might consider handing my CCW over with my license but my reality is that I'm "not that guy."

If I'm asked to exit, I would certainly hand over the CCW before getting out because sure... I don't want to look like I'm hiding anything, but during the course of a "normal" stop, I just see how my status is relevant unless the officer asks.

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You couldn't of said that better Tack!
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Some of you people are just scared to death, I been stopped out of state also and never been asked if I was carring a weapon. I just never tell them unless its on a need to know bascis.

Just funny how people react to such things.
Thank you for proving my point! Some of those who are LEO's are scared and they don't take to kindly to 'gun' surprises.
SO why take that chance when a little common sense and common courtesy could prevent a VERY BAD situation???????
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I don't see it as a "courtesy" thing. Now... If I had prison tats running up my next, drove a trashed beater, or otherwise "looked" like someone LEO's would be concerned with... Then I might consider handing my CCW over with my license but my reality is that I'm "not that guy."

If I'm asked to exit, I would certainly hand over the CCW before getting out because sure... I don't want to look like I'm hiding anything, but during the course of a "normal" stop, I just see how my status is relevant unless the officer asks.

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And you never will. I hope your 'attitude' don't cost you or a LEO their life!
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It is whatever state law says.

The few times i have been stopped driving i hand the ccw card over with the license as doing so shows ive got nothing to hide and avoids having a gun drawn if the officer sees mine printing or peeking out.

Wisconsin has n duty to inform but i do so just so there is no monkey business
Common sense and common courtesy (communication) is what will prevent 'monkey business', we in LE thank you!
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