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gmaster456 12-15-2011 09:34 PM

Do I need to carry a CCP to carry a knife?
 
Does carrying something like a utility/pocket/folding knife count as a "concealed weapon" and would I need to carry a permit for it to have it on me? This is in Michigan. There seems to be a lot of gray area concerning knives.

trip286 12-15-2011 10:25 PM

Your best bet is if someone familiar with your states laws chimes in. I think in my state, as long as the blade isn't over a certain length it's all good without a permit.

c3shooter 12-15-2011 10:54 PM

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Weapons laws, like he just said up there, vary state to state.

In GENERAL, a folding knife that has a blade less than 3 inches, does not have a spring opener, etc, is considered an ordinary tool. Don't try to take one into a courthouse or jail, though- and not on an airplane.

SOME states have their own quirks. Mass considers a double edged knife to be an "assault knife". A butterfly (balisong) knife in Vegas is a felony. Virginia considers a non-folding knife to be a "dirk".

A Swiss Army knife or Boy Scout sized knife is not likely to be a legal problem, but we are not likely to be lawyers, either. (Well, we think there ARE one or two around here, but they keep a low profile :))

DO check with your local authorities.

gmaster456 12-15-2011 11:07 PM

This is about all I've been able to dig up and I've been searching for hours.

Michigan -750.226... Carrying with unlawful intent
Any person who, with intent to use the same unlawfully
against the person of another, goes armed with a pistol
or other firearm or dagger, dirk, razor, stiletto, or
knife having a blade over 3 inches in length, or any
other dangerous or deadly weapon or instrument, shall
be guilty of a felony, punishable by imprisonment in
the state prison for not more than 5 years or by a fine
of not more than 2,500 dollars.

- 750.226a. Pocket knife opened by mechanical device...
Any person who shall sell or offer to sell, or
any person who shall have in his possession any knife
having the appearance of a pocket knife, the blade or
blades of which can be opened by a flick of a button,
pressure on a handle or other mechanical contrivance shall
be guilty of a misdemeanor... [Also, concealed carry may
be charged as a felony under 750.227.] The provisions of
this section [750.226a] shall not apply to any one-armed
person carrying a knife on his person in connection with
his living requirements.

- 750.227. (1) A person shall not carry a dagger, dirk,
stiletto, a double-edged nonfolding stabbing instrument of
any length, or any dangerous weapon, except a hunting
knife adapted and carried as such, concealed on or about
his or her person, or whether concealed or otherwise in
any vehicle... except in his or her dwelling house [or]
place of business... (3) A person who violates this
section is guilty of a felony...



Its incredibly vague. basically I've interpreted it to say, that as long as I don't have any criminal intent to inflict bodily harm on anyone with the "weapon", I can carry any size blade I want, but its up to the LEO to determine what my intent was, and its my word against his :(, unless of course the blade is for hunting, in which case I'd have to prove the I was in fact, hunting, or heading to or from my hunting location.

But yes, I will talk to the one of the local authorities as well and try to get some detail.

trip286 12-15-2011 11:15 PM

Sounds to me like I would carry a normal pocket knife with a blade less then 3 inches.

Hint, there are some tactical folders in that size.

jjfuller1 12-15-2011 11:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by trip286 (Post 653028)
Sounds to me like I would carry a normal pocket knife with a blade less then 3 inches.

Hint, there are some tactical folders in that size.

plus one. ...also make sure its razor sharp. dull knives wont help

trip286 12-15-2011 11:47 PM

Hey, dull knives make great screw drivers.

PSYCHOFREAK3 12-16-2011 03:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by trip286 (Post 653061)
Hey, dull knives make great screw drivers.

Now the trick is to get a dull heavy knife, I had just a cheap knife that weighed what felt like 2 lbs but it was under 1 had a dull but thick blade. Was the best improvised hammer/screwdriver/crowbar/paperweight but not such a great knife.

HOSSFLY 12-16-2011 08:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gmaster456 (Post 653018)
This is about all I've been able to dig up and I've been searching for hours.

Michigan -750.226... Carrying with unlawful intent
Any person who, with intent to use the same unlawfully
against the person of another, goes armed with a pistol
or other firearm or dagger, dirk, razor, stiletto, or
knife having a blade over 3 inches in length, or any
other dangerous or deadly weapon or instrument, shall
be guilty of a felony, punishable by imprisonment in
the state prison for not more than 5 years or by a fine
of not more than 2,500 dollars.

- 750.226a. Pocket knife opened by mechanical device...
Any person who shall sell or offer to sell, or
any person who shall have in his possession any knife
having the appearance of a pocket knife, the blade or
blades of which can be opened by a flick of a button,
pressure on a handle or other mechanical contrivance shall
be guilty of a misdemeanor... [Also, concealed carry may
be charged as a felony under 750.227.] The provisions of
this section [750.226a] shall not apply to any one-armed
person carrying a knife on his person in connection with
his living requirements.

- 750.227. (1) A person shall not carry a dagger, dirk,
stiletto, a double-edged nonfolding stabbing instrument of
any length, or any dangerous weapon, except a hunting
knife adapted and carried as such, concealed on or about
his or her person, or whether concealed or otherwise in
any vehicle... except in his or her dwelling house [or]
place of business... (3) A person who violates this
section is guilty of a felony...



Its incredibly vague. basically I've interpreted it to say, that as long as I don't have any criminal intent to inflict bodily harm on anyone with the "weapon", I can carry any size blade I want, but its up to the LEO to determine what my intent was, and its my word against his :(, unless of course the blade is for hunting, in which case I'd have to prove the I was in fact, hunting, or heading to or from my hunting location.

But yes, I will talk to the one of the local authorities as well and try to get some detail.

Seems pretty clear to me -Carry a plain pocket knife with a blade no longer than 3" & dont carry it with the intent to stick someone :rolleyes:


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