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Old 01-07-2014, 01:24 AM   #51
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My answer: Yes, and God willing, yes.

Now for my question. If I am willing to lay down my own life for those I love, what in the name of all that is Holy would make anyone think that I would not kill for them?

'nuff said.
and very well said i might add too!
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i am reminded of a thread that got started here a few months back.

it was about a LEO who shot A DOG in self defense. i was honestly SHOCKED to see so many posters here HEARTBROKEN over a video of a dog squealing and flopping around after it was shot......YET.......so many on this board boast of their ability to take a human life with no regrets...........i mean i have a seen many animals die in violent manners, but the thought of seeing a human die is such a manner is a very disturbing thought for me.

for me, the answer is YES. i would pull the trigger to protect my family, but i am 100% sure i would hate having to do so and question it from that point on. i would sincerely hope that i could reflect on the incident and find that i had no other way to avoid the situation whatsoever. i would sincerely hope i STOPPED the situation as opposed to killing a human being. but when using deadly force, that isn't for us to decide.

if i felt my life and my families was in danger, i have no doubt i pull the trigger until i feel they are safe. but without regrets?......i'll hold that decision until i have to see a person gagging on their own blood or sh!tting themselves and gasping for breath as their life fades.....hopefully, and i pray to God....i hope it is something i'll never have to know, because i can't imagine any way i would feel that outcome is "good"....regardless of if it was necessary.

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I am a very kind and caring person. I enjoy helping people. And just being good to people.
Be a threat to me or my family, and I would go from being such a nice person, to I'll blow your freaking head off, with no remorse. Lay there and choke on your blood. Feels good, don't it. Dam, I can be mean.

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I have already had to make that decision several times.
It all boils down to what I tell all the rookies I have trained.
"Do whatever you must do, just be right when you do it."
PS: I have no problem with what I have done because I was 'right' when I did it.

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i am reminded of a thread that got started here a few months back.

it was about a LEO who shot A DOG in self defense. i was honestly SHOCKED to see so many posters here HEARTBROKEN over a video of a dog squealing and flopping around after it was shot......YET.......so many on this board boast of their ability to take a human life with no regrets...........i mean i have a seen many animals die in violent manners, but the thought of seeing a human die is such a manner is a very disturbing thought for me.

for me, the answer is YES. i would pull the trigger to protect my family, but i am 100% sure i would hate having to do so and question it from that point on. i would sincerely hope that i could reflect on the incident and find that i had no other way to avoid the situation whatsoever. i would sincerely hope i STOPPED the situation as opposed to killing a human being. but when using deadly force, that isn't for us to decide.

if i felt my life and my families was in danger, i have no doubt i pull the trigger until i feel they are safe. but without regrets?......i'll hold that decision until i have to see a person gagging on their own blood or sh!tting themselves and gasping for breath as their life fades.....hopefully, and i pray to God....i hope it is something i'll never have to know, because i can't imagine any way i would feel that outcome is "good"....regardless of if it was necessary.

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not a boast, but a declaration of facts. when another person puts those in peril for their own evil and depraved intentions, they place themselves to be treated as less than human. they made a choice to do evil. that is a choice that we all make everyday to either do good or to do evil.

i will not celebrate the taking of any humans life, even those who have evil intentions, but nor will i think i am to feel shame for doing what i was by design to do and that is to be a protector and defender of my loved ones.
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That's what I was trying to say.

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i am reminded of a thread that got started here a few months back.

it was about a LEO who shot A DOG in self defense. i was honestly SHOCKED to see so many posters here HEARTBROKEN over a video of a dog squealing and flopping around after it was shot......YET.......so many on this board boast of their ability to take a human life with no regrets...........i mean i have a seen many animals die in violent manners, but the thought of seeing a human die is such a manner is a very disturbing thought for me.

for me, the answer is YES. i would pull the trigger to protect my family, but i am 100% sure i would hate having to do so and question it from that point on. i would sincerely hope that i could reflect on the incident and find that i had no other way to avoid the situation whatsoever. i would sincerely hope i STOPPED the situation as opposed to killing a human being. but when using deadly force, that isn't for us to decide.

if i felt my life and my families was in danger, i have no doubt i pull the trigger until i feel they are safe. but without regrets?......i'll hold that decision until i have to see a person gagging on their own blood or sh!tting themselves and gasping for breath as their life fades.....hopefully, and i pray to God....i hope it is something i'll never have to know, because i can't imagine any way i would feel that outcome is "good"....regardless of if it was necessary.

my 2 cents, feel free to disagree.
Well, dogs never choose to hurt people. If they do it is a natural reaction to the situation.

Some dogs are "mean" but only because their people abuse them or don't raise them correctly.

Dogs are almost always a product of their environment. People can choose to overcome theirs.

People often choose to do evil. Dogs never do.

Dogs are morally superior to people, some would say.

(The above is mostly tongue-in-cheek, by the way).
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Well, dogs never choose to hurt people. If they do it is a natural reaction to the situation.

Some dogs are "mean" but only because their people abuse them or don't raise them correctly.

Dogs are almost always a product of their environment. People can choose to overcome theirs.

People often choose to do evil. Dogs never do.

Dogs are morally superior to people, some would say.

(The above is mostly tongue-in-cheek, by the way).
i agree with that for the most part. most animals by instinct usually only attack to protect or to eat. man will attack and kill others for the sheer fun or for greed and many other less than honorable reasons.

which does make most animals far superior to most humans in that respect.
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In a what would you do scenario...a buddy of mine was at a convention and went out with some of the guys in Dallas. At 230am he parks in the parking lot of the hotel and begins his walk to the the lobby. A person jumps out from behind a car and clocks him unprovoked in the face. He gathers himself and turns the lights out on that guy when another guy comes along. My buddy is a big guy, strong and capable. In the end he kicked one guys teeth in and the other went running. It sounded like knockout game gone wrong.

For the sake of discussion out yourself in his shoes and assume that you are conceal carrying. An unprovoked attack started with a punch yet alone at night facing two people and not knowing their intentions or if they are armed how would you have handled the incident?

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i am reminded of a thread that got started here a few months back.

it was about a LEO who shot A DOG in self defense. i was honestly SHOCKED to see so many posters here HEARTBROKEN over a video of a dog squealing and flopping around after it was shot......YET.......so many on this board boast of their ability to take a human life with no regrets...........i mean i have a seen many animals die in violent manners, but the thought of seeing a human die is such a manner is a very disturbing thought for me.
Me, too.

I've shot some dogs and I think I remember each one of them. Put down one horse, too. Same thing.

I've also pulled a gun on a couple of guys. It was close. I decided I could go another way without a big risk and it worked out, for which I have always been grateful. I don't want a memory like that.

However, that situation was just them and me. If my family was behind me, then the chances I am willing to take are going to get real skinny and my willingness to take on a jag of bad memories will ramp up by an order of magnitude faster than you can blink. Still, I hope that situation never comes up again. I truly do.
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