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Old 11-06-2011, 05:33 PM   #41
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~snip~ One thing I can't stand though is this concept of taking care of one's own by sweeping things under the rug. When I was in the service we didn't call it taking care of our own (USMC) or any kind of "fraternity/brotherhood" we called it policing our own, which is to say we would lay the legal smack down on one of our own when they messed up. This when for my time in the infantry as well as MP.
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if that would have been the average joe they would have been cited. i dont care what is said.

im not a cop hater by no means i have family and friends in law enforcement, so please dont take me wrong but when it comes to law enforcement and politicians there is this "we take of our own" philosophy.

im not saying every one is more lenient but a big majority are. ive seen way to many time.

were i used to live you couldnt find more crooked cops, they would sell dope to the kids right outside the sheriffs office and the other surrounding area cops were not much better

besides that i have been peronaly involved and affected in the whole political and cop hush hush crap and i get really upset were i hear of crap like this
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The fact is...MOST people wouldn't be charged criminally if they were carrying legally. Obviously, if any property damage were done, and I can assume there WAS since I understand it happened inside a structure, he would be on the hook for repair (which is only right), and it would be a civil matter.

True...there ARE charges that could be filed...BUT...absent injury and with no malicious intent most folks would get a "Shame on you for being stupid" lecture. He will PROBABLY catch a departmental rip and MAYBE get some time off without pay...which he should. I'd make him go through the ENTIRE pistol course at the academy again with newb recruits...but that's just me.

Why he wasn't carrying in a holster is anybody's guess. Our department MANDATED holster carry, which I totally agree with. My pocket BUG is always in a holster and I don't (WON'T) own a holster that doesn't cover the trigger guard. Tucking your pistol in your waistband may "look" cool to movie goers and "LETHAL WEAPON" fans...but it's nitwittery.

As for the DEA Agent who shot himself in the foot...double dumbass shame on him for being stupid. There was NO reason for him to take his "Fotay" out of it's holster in a classroom full of kids. If he wanted to show them a gun...he should have used a de-activated armorer's model.

Cops aren't perfect people, though we ARE held to a higher standard, and realistically should be. BUT...that being said...all the anti-cop flamers really can plant a smoochie on my tooshy. I have found the vast majority of cop flamers are jealous and really would like to be a cop but for whatever reason can't be. You have to EARN your badge. They don't hand them out to every nitwit who asks for one. True...some nitwits DO slip through the cracks...I know, I had to work with some of them. The reality is....they wind up going into management...or flaming out and going to work in the public sector.

Personally, I have cut breaks to civilians a LOT more often than I ever cut a break to other officers. I arrested an off-duty officer FROM MY DIVISION for DUI one night. I could have simply driven him home...but I always had ZERO tolerance for DUI. The fact that he was a douchetard notwithstanding. Especially since ALL he would have had to do is call one of us that were on duty and ask for a ride home or called a cab (cab companies here will give you a free ride back to your car in the morning if you call them!). My friends, even the non-cop type know that ALL they need to do is call me and I don't care what time it is, and I will go get them and bring them home.

The arrest didn't make me particularly popular with some others, but MOST of the people with whom I worked respected my decision. Integrity is doing the right thing when no one else is watching.

If you don't DO THE JOB...you don't have a clue about the job. Big freakin' deal if your cousin's husband used to be a cop so now you know it all...you don't know how hard it is just to DO THE JOB nowadays. Everyone second guesses EVERY decision you have to make RIGHT THE **** NOW from the luxurious position of a recliner or from watching a 15 second soundbyte on the evening news, then of course you rush to judgement before ANY of the facts are in between your seventh and eighth beer and slice of pizza while your guts grows ever farther past your belt line.

So, no, I am not defending the officer who dropped his weapon. Shame on him for being stupid. But I AM defending the job I did for over two decades. If you want to criticize ALL cops, get off your dead ass and try to BE one, then tell me how easy we have it.
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I know I'll pay ten pounds of hell for this, but I have to say it. I cannot see any intelligent reason to carry and NOT have it in a holster. If you can't get it in a holster, even an ankle holster, leave the damn thing at home, or at the very least, DON'T have a round chambered.
What's the point of carrying without a round chambered? If you really need it you probably won't have time the draw and rack one.
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What's the point of carrying without a round chambered? If you really need it you probably won't have time the draw and rack one.
Carrying an empty gun is like carrying a $300 hammer. I agree with you, what if you only have one hand to draw your weapon.
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What's the point of carrying without a round chambered? If you really need it you probably won't have time the draw and rack one.
Re-read my comment. I state that if you DON'T have it in a holster and are just carrying loose in your pocket you don't need to carry a round in it. In a holster I have no issue with a round in the pipe.
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Re-read my comment. I state that if you DON'T have it in a holster and are just carrying loose in your pocket you don't need to carry a round in it. In a holster I have no issue with a round in the pipe.
I got what you said. I guess my comment just came out wrong. I was agreeing with you. Leave it home if you don't have a holster. I personally wouldn't carry without one chambered.
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I got what you said. I guess my comment just came out wrong. I was agreeing with you. Leave it home if you don't have a holster. I personally wouldn't carry without one chambered.
If I can't carry a holster, then I'm letting my personal appearance dictate my carry clothing, and must adjust to be able to carry, or I'm at a beach where I'm not going to have it on me while I play in the water.
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If you don't DO THE JOB...you don't have a clue about the job. Big freakin' deal if your cousin's husband used to be a cop so now you know it all...you don't know how hard it is just to DO THE JOB nowadays. Everyone second guesses EVERY decision you have to make RIGHT THE **** NOW from the luxurious position of a recliner or from watching a 15 second soundbyte on the evening news, then of course you rush to judgement before ANY of the facts are in between your seventh and eighth beer and slice of pizza while your guts grows ever farther past your belt line.

So, no, I am not defending the officer who dropped his weapon. Shame on him for being stupid. But I AM defending the job I did for over two decades. If you want to criticize ALL cops, get off your dead ass and try to BE one, then tell me how easy we have it.
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If you don't DO THE JOB...you don't have a clue about the job. Big freakin' deal if your cousin's husband used to be a cop so now you know it all...you don't know how hard it is just to DO THE JOB nowadays. Everyone second guesses EVERY decision you have to make RIGHT THE **** NOW from the luxurious position of a recliner or from watching a 15 second soundbyte on the evening news, then of course you rush to judgement before ANY of the facts are in between your seventh and eighth beer and slice of pizza while your guts grows ever farther past your belt line.

So, no, I am not defending the officer who dropped his weapon. Shame on him for being stupid. But I AM defending the job I did for over two decades. If you want to criticize ALL cops, get off your dead ass and try to BE one, then tell me how easy we have it.
the unfortunate thing is i tend to see more overweight police officers than i see in civilian jobs...

im the last person that will attack police as a whole. i was one. i am just saying they arent any different than anyone else and often get special privilige above and beyound what a common citizen can expect.

in milwaukee pre-ccw law off duty police were not permitted to carry in that mall area. i still maintain that a civilian doing that would have been in prison. especially in milwaukee

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How in the name of blue people on Pandora can a person with a felony conviction still be employed as an officer? Notwithstanding federal law...but really? There is no way that would fly here in AZ or anywhere else.

Number one....PROHIBITED possessor. If you can't pack a heater, you can't be a cop.

Number two...I have to call balderdash on that one. I'd like to see the info on that one.
here ya go...

granted i heard the 150 number on the radio so im assuming they are tossing in other reported incidence not part of individual stories.

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Milwaukee police often face minimal punishment for driving drunk - JSOnline

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At least 93 Milwaukee police officers have been disciplined for violating law - JSOnline

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At least 93 Milwaukee police officers - ranking from street cop to captain - have been disciplined for violating the laws and ordinances they were sworn to uphold, a Journal Sentinel investigation found.

Their offenses range from sexual assault and domestic violence to drunken driving and shoplifting, according to internal affairs records. All still work for the Police Department, where they have the authority to make arrests, testify in court and patrol neighborhoods.

Officers who run afoul of the law often aren't fired or prosecuted, the newspaper found. Consider:

At least six officers disciplined by the department for illegal behavior suffered no legal consequences whatsoever. One was Reginald Hampton, accused of sexually assaulting two women he met on duty. Another was Mark Kapusta, suspended after a woman said he pointed a gun at her head during a drunken road-rage incident. Neither officer was charged or ticketed.

Twenty-three officers got breaks from prosecutors that allowed them to avoid being convicted of serious charges - or any charges at all - as long as they didn't commit more crimes and followed prosecutors' instructions. One was Patrick Fuhrman, originally charged with a felony for a beating that sent his wife to the hospital and, according to a witness, left blood in every room of their house. A conviction on that charge could have gotten him fired from the department, banned from carrying a gun for life and imprisoned for 3˝ years. Instead, he ended up with two tickets for disorderly conduct.

Nine of the 93 officers were convicted of crimes. Some even spent time behind bars. Yet when their criminal cases were concluded, they went back to their careers with the Milwaukee police. At least one, John P. Corbett, was a police sergeant by day and an inmate by night. Convicted of driving drunk with a child in the car, Corbett did his job at the police station while on work release from jail. His 13-year-old daughter told authorities Corbett took the wheel after she got lost driving back from a tavern.

The Police Department, district attorney's office and Fire and Police Commission share responsibility for keeping officers in line.
reading deeper into the story, its a very very very long 3 parter, you will find examples of officers actually serving prison time AND doing their work release as a police officer...

sorry it took me a while to get back round to reading this thread
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