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canebrake 05-17-2010 05:33 AM

Concealed carry = Bad / Discreet Carry = Good -- Semantics
 
Discreet vs. Concealed

The lamestream media told you:

Nothing, but firearm-permit holders are very concerned about this core issue.

The Uninvited Ombudsman notes however that:

Now that Arizona has broken ground with its new no-permit-needed Freedom To Carry law (effective 7/29/10, also called Constitutional Carry), efforts are underway to deny anti-rights bigots an upper hand in the battle of words that frames so many civil rights debates.

"Concealed carry," the term government prefers, implies you have something to hide," said numerous long-time permit holders. "Now that Arizona has normalized the right to keep and bear arms, it makes much more sense to always refer to discreet carry as discreet carry. Nothing requires you to be a showboat in your ownership or possession of any private property unless you want to be."

Writer and friend Don Kline insightfully notes that, "One thing I make a point of when discussing discreet carry is the fact that traditionally, and as a doctrine of law, tyrants would like us to forget we have a right to exercise our rights PRIVATELY. Being forced to carry openly if we carry at all is not only a violation of our right to bear arms, it is a violation of our right to privacy."

This point has been made in The Arizona Gun Owner's Guide for years, which noted that no-option open carry, despite its romantic appeal, is actually a reduction of your rights and makes it inconvenient to bear arms in many situations (p. 54).

"Paul Helmke and his ilk like to advance the theory that people have a right to know if someone around them is armed. They don't. They are already on notice that someone around them may be armed -- the Second Amendment and the Arizona Constitution places them on notice," Cline accurately observes. Helmke (leader of the Brady group) is merely posturing of course, and together with his scant membership hates knowing anyone has a firearm.

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TheDaggle 05-17-2010 06:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by canebrake (Post 286057)
Discreet vs. Concealed"Paul Helmke and his ilk like to advance the theory that people have a right to know if someone around them is armed. They don't. They are already on notice that someone around them may be armed -- the Second Amendment and the Arizona Constitution places them on notice," Cline accurately observes.

I find it very disturbing that we have so many laws that flagrantly violate the 2nd. "...the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed..." seems like a pretty clear and concise statement to me. Where anybody got the idea that there were conditions, I'll never know.

chasbo00 05-17-2010 04:23 PM

Discreet vs. Concealed carry -- just more needless political correctness BS in my opinion -- don't need it and don't want it! :(

Stinger 05-18-2010 12:53 AM

Second Amendment
 
Nothing Proves to Me that I am an American more than my Gun........

GoBlue 05-22-2010 07:49 PM

While it does seem a bit PC to me too, we do know that the anits use verbage to their advantage.

i.e. when Joe kills Kerry by running her down with a Chevy Malibu it's not called "Car Crime". Of course if Joe killed Kerry with his .357 it's labeled "gun crime".

There's power in labels. No doubt about it.

virtualjohn 08-19-2010 12:32 AM

I think the words we use in this ongoing battle not only over our Second Amendment Rights, but the very existence of our nation, are important. The uninformed are being constantly bombarded by a large, active, organized and, most importantly, persuasively articulate group with the intent to form one consensus; Guns Bad. As many of you have noted; a crime becomes a "gun crime," a simple semi-auto pistol becomes an "automatic weapon," the rifle an "assault rifle," ... etc. We know the truth. Our job is to inform the uninformed with clear, plain, yet well-considered speech. The British marching through Middlesex County on April 19, 1775 were not after hunting rifles, but shot and powder. The Second Amendment is about tanks, not 10/22's. We have already lost so much ground in the 20th Century in this fight we must not only stop the erosion of our rights, we must turn it around.

hth3 10-07-2010 08:29 PM

Cane,
I see pictures of two 1911 type pistols at the bottom of your posts.
By any chance is the "King of Nines" a Browning HiPower?
If so please see my post of 10-7-10 in reference to same weapon.
thanks
hth3

Ralphhster 10-08-2010 01:52 AM

nice dat isn't it

utf59 10-08-2010 06:40 PM

Quote:

I want the bad guy on the street to know I have a gun on me. If he knows I am carrying a gun he will most likely select someone else as their prey.
This is 100% true. It is also 100% true that if he doesn't select someone else, he will be prepared for you *and* your gun.

druryj 10-08-2010 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by utf59 (Post 365189)
This is 100% true. It is also 100% true that if he doesn't select someone else, he will be prepared for you *and* your gun.

I don't want the bad guy to know...until I decide to let him know.


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