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JiroZero713 12-28-2008 02:08 AM

Concealed Carry at 18
 
Going to look in it more...but apparently there is a loop hole in Alabama where I can't buy pistols of course...BUT I can conceal carry them if I take a handgun course with an Alabama Sheriff or etc. I can only conceal carry if I'm in a high risk job of some sort...or I'm handling lots of money.


I figure since I handle over 1000-2000 Bucks worth of money...a DAY in my restaurant job and live in a semi-bad part of the neighborhood for this city at least, I can possibly conceal carry.


Anyone else hear of something like this? Don't quote me for fact I'm going to look into the laws again.

I'm going to research it more and perhaps if it's true I'll take the course and conceal carry in the near future with a CZ-82.

sgtdeath66 12-28-2008 06:25 AM

last i knew it was illegal for any persons to carry a handgun in the states. with the exception of military and leo. i wouldnt risk it for one reason only, lawyers. if you were to shoot someone and they had a damn good shark on the payroll your going to jail for attempted murder and assault with a deadly weapon as well as illegal carry of a firearm. but if it is true and you can get certified then hey.. more power to ya

JiroZero713 12-28-2008 08:22 AM

Yeah I thought so too...but apparantly some parts of Bama you can CCW

Like Shelby county it's very rural and they allow CCW at 18 which is good.

I'm in Jefferson so I can't do it.

Glock30Owner 12-30-2008 06:34 AM

The laws are going to vary from state to state. I'm not aware of any states that will issue a permit to anyone under 21, but I do know that there are some states that allow those under 21 to open carry. I'm just not sure if Alabama is one.

Ram Rod 12-30-2008 03:56 PM

If it's illegal for you to buy a pistol at age 18, then I would think this means possession. Obviously something overlooked in statutes. Loopholes are just that........loose-holes is what I call them (keep your mind out of the gutter here). Loosely interpreted is what I mean. Never depend on loopholes keeping you out of jail, trouble, or getting your pistol taken away.

Glock30Owner 12-31-2008 06:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Ram Rod (Post 58262)
If it's illegal for you to buy a pistol at age 18, then I would think this means possession. Obviously something overlooked in statutes. Loopholes are just that........loose-holes is what I call them (keep your mind out of the gutter here). Loosely interpreted is what I mean. Never depend on loopholes keeping you out of jail, trouble, or getting your pistol taken away.

Federal law only prevents a person under 21 from purchasing a handgun from a FFL. It doesn't prevent possession or ownership through private purchase or gift.

That leaves the ownership and/or possession up to individual states. Tennessee, for example, only prevents minors from having firearms (with some exceptions), but will not issue a Handgun Carry Permit to anyone under 21.

stalkingbear 12-31-2008 09:40 PM

Anytime there's a discrepancy in federal and state or local law, ALWAYS err to the side of caution or the stricter law to play it safe. Since you are under the age of 21, it IS against federal law to purchase or possess handguns. I could only assume if you are carrying, that would be defined as being in possession. You're going to do what you want anyway, just remember you were warned. And as an FFL holder-we HAVE to stay abreast of federal law.

Glock30Owner 01-01-2009 07:09 AM

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Originally Posted by stalkingbear (Post 58616)
Anytime there's a discrepancy in federal and state or local law, ALWAYS err to the side of caution or the stricter law to play it safe. Since you are under the age of 21, it IS against federal law to purchase or possess handguns. I could only assume if you are carrying, that would be defined as being in possession. You're going to do what you want anyway, just remember you were warned. And as an FFL holder-we HAVE to stay abreast of federal law.

Would you care to back up your assertion that it is illegal for a person under 21 to purchase a firearm from a private person or recieve one as a gift and for them to have possession, under Federal law?

USC Title 18 Part 1 Chapter 44 § 922 (b)(1) is the only place that talks about age. This applies ONLY to FFLs.
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(b) It shall be unlawful for any licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, licensed dealer, or licensed collector to sell or deliver—
(1) any firearm or ammunition to any individual who the licensee knows or has reasonable cause to believe is less than eighteen years of age, and, if the firearm, or ammunition is other than a shotgun or rifle, or ammunition for a shotgun or rifle, to any individual who the licensee knows or has reasonable cause to believe is less than twenty-one years of age;

stalkingbear 01-01-2009 03:02 PM

You are STILL attempting to twist the facts of HANDGUN and LONG GUN-carefully read the EXACT same statute you quoted-it says LONG GUN and says nothing about handgun. SURE I'll be delighted to get into the finer points of federal firearms law as applies to FFL holders AND private individuals. Remember when dealing with BATFE, the slightest miscalculation of interpetation or misread statute is what makes the difference between law abiding and illegal. Do you REALLY care to get into detailed discussion about firearms law with someone that DOES study firearms laws as hobby AND because I have to?









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Originally Posted by Glock30Owner (Post 58730)
Would you care to back up your assertion that it is illegal for a person under 21 to purchase a firearm from a private person or recieve one as a gift and for them to have possession, under Federal law?

USC Title 18 Part 1 Chapter 44 § 922 (b)(1) is the only place that talks about age. This applies ONLY to FFLs.


Mark Robert 01-01-2009 05:18 PM

I've lived in Jefferson County most of my life, and was a Deputy here for a number of years.
I received my original carry permit at the age of 19. There was a little more checking than for those 21 or over, but I got it with no special circumstances.
I could not purchase from a FFL, but I could purchase privately.
Call the Sheriff's office, and ask for the Sgt over permits. You'll get the straight skinny from him. The process takes about 2 weeks, and I'm not aware of a course requirement.


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