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Old 03-04-2014, 05:23 PM   #81
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You clearly missed my point.

As things stand now, I'd be willing to bet that, by a large margin, most of the people who now carry a concealed weapon without a permit, make or supplement their income by relieving store owners & clerks of the burden of depositing the store's receipts in the merchant's bank. As helpful as they may think this is, I personally would not consider them trustworthy or responsible. This also goes for those who consider it suitable to carry a concealed weapon without a permit, so that they may prevent others from stealing the inventory of unlicensed pharmaceutical products, delivered via nontraditional distribution channels, or the proceeds generated therefrom that they have been entrusted with.

As far as most people being good, it would be nice if that were true. I have my doubts. Looking around, I suspect there is a standard bell curve distribution of good & bad people in the world, with most of us in the middle, present company excepted, of course.

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And you would lose that bet BIG TIME!!!
There are several states who 'trust' their citizens to freely exercise their 'RIGHT' and it has not been, not will it ever be, a problem. I personally know many people who CC without a permit because they don't feel, and RIGHTFULLY so, that it is any of the governments business to know if they are carrying a PPD.
I CCW (illegally) for many years before I became a cop. If I am not mistaken there are laws on the books which make it illegal to 'victimize' others, so there is no need to restrict our RTKABA's, only punish those who abuse this RIGHT!
Well I have spent 40+ years in the 'the mud, the blood, and the beer' and I can tell you, with out a doubt, there A LOT more good people than bad. Only those elitist progressives believe other wise and think "I am better than you, so I know what is best for you"!
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And you would lose that bet BIG TIME!!!
There are several states who 'trust' their citizens to freely exercise their 'RIGHT' and it has not been, not will it ever be, a problem. I personally know many people who CC without a permit because they don't feel, and RIGHTFULLY so, that it is any of the governments business to know if they are carrying a PPD.
I CCW (illegally) for many years before I became a cop. If I am not mistaken there are laws on the books which make it illegal to 'victimize' others, so there is no need to restrict our RTKABA's, only punish those who abuse this RIGHT!
Well I have spent 40+ years in the 'the mud, the blood, and the beer' and I can tell you, with out a doubt, there A LOT more good people than bad. Only those elitist progressives believe other wise and think "I am better than you, so I know what is best for you"!
THINK ABOUT IT!!!
Is this based on personal observation in your small part of the "mud, blood, and the beer", or can you back this up with links and articles pointing to a nationwide trend? I'm hoping you're right, but from what I see around here I would bet you're not.
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And you would lose that bet BIG TIME!!! (etc.) . . . .
You raise a good point.

I had not taken into account those who CCW without a CCP in those states where a CCP in not required. I am also not counting all those who have recently decided not to register their semi-auto, magazine fed, pistol gripped firearms, that have just been made illegal by the NY Safe Act or the CT laws. I am also not counting those who have a home/store/target/hunting handgun permit, and who do not regularly CC in public.

That said, I’m not sure you are right on the numbers for those states where some permit/registration/fee etc., is required. While I believe there are more BGs CCW without a CCP than GGs CCW without a CCP, at least in NYS, I have no source of figures to back that up. I don’t know how you’d test it, or where good numbers on this might be found.

I would like to believe there are more GGs with CCW than BGs with CCW, regardless of whether they have a CCP.
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You raise a good point.

I had not taken into account those who CCW without a CCP in those states where a CCP in not required. I am also not counting all those who have recently decided not to register their semi-auto, magazine fed, pistol gripped firearms, that have just been made illegal by the NY Safe Act or the CT laws. I am also not counting those who have a home/store/target/hunting handgun permit, and are not regularly CC.

That said, Iím not sure you are right on the numbers for those states where some permit/registration/fee etc., is required. While I believe there are more BGs CCW without a CCP than GGs CCW without a CCP, at least in NYS, I have no source of figures to back that up. I donít know how youíd test it, or where good numbers on this might be found.

I would like to believe there are more GGs with CCW than BGs with CCW, regardless of whether they have a CCP.
I sure hope the two of you are on the right track. Supposedly we have permits for every 1 out of 19 people here, and it makes me think that every one that wants to, and is legally qualified to, has a permit or will get a permit soon.

The reason I doubt the claim is based on our past and present prison population. We have more people with felony disenfranchisement than we do permit holders. Naturally, these people would not be carrying, or even owning a firearm legally. Now take California, New York, New Jersey and DC which are all major population centers that don't allow concealed carry without a rarely issued permit, and it doesn't add up.

Like you, I would really like to see some numbers. I hope you two are right, but I fear you're not even close.
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. . . . I hope you two are right, but I fear you're not even close.
?? We're taking opposite positions. I believe there are more BGs carrying without permits. He maintains there are more GGs carrying without permits.
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?? We're taking opposite positions. I believe there are more BGs carrying without permits. He maintains there are more GGs carrying without permits.
Then let me give you a very timid "Oops". I misunderstood your most recent post.
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...Do not want to lose the privilege of gun ownership.
It is a Right over here.

I teach in CCL class that a fire arm is a tool of last resort. I do spend a good
amount of time on situational awareness, avoidance and de-escalation of a
situation. The best conflict is the one that never happens. The gun is only
there if there is no other choice. In a situation like Sandy Hook, CT or Aurora,
CO where the shooter was intent on killing as many as possible, aka a process
predator. Those are good examples where you would likely engage a target if
you did not or could not exit safely.
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You raise a good point.



I had not taken into account those who CCW without a CCP in those states where a CCP in not required. I am also not counting all those who have recently decided not to register their semi-auto, magazine fed, pistol gripped firearms, that have just been made illegal by the NY Safe Act or the CT laws. I am also not counting those who have a home/store/target/hunting handgun permit, and who do not regularly CC in public.



That said, Iím not sure you are right on the numbers for those states where some permit/registration/fee etc., is required. While I believe there are more BGs CCW without a CCP than GGs CCW without a CCP, at least in NYS, I have no source of figures to back that up. I donít know how youíd test it, or where good numbers on this might be found.



I would like to believe there are more GGs with CCW than BGs with CCW, regardless of whether they have a CCP.

When I was Still a NY'er ( until 1/3/12) I had a "Target/Premise" permit, while a resident of NYC., then a Home/Target permit on L.I....when I had a NYC Carry it was because I was doing second "Jobs" that required it... investigative work for a relatives Law Firm, security work at an eatery/bar in Midtown Manhattan, and Before the Army, an Armored Guard job...
As a NY resident, I never carried without that carry permit. I knew I'd be jailed and loose my rights if I did and "something happened"..



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Is this based on personal observation in your small part of the "mud, blood, and the beer", or can you back this up with links and articles pointing to a nationwide trend? I'm hoping you're right, but from what I see around here I would bet you're not.
Common sense, plain and simple!
Doc, those who CC with or without a permit should not, and most do not, advertise it.
Requiring a 'permit' only makes 'criminals' out of ALL those who exercise their RIGHT TO CARRY without one!
That is why I, as a LEO, did not arrest people for 'simply' carrying without a permit. There had to be some aggravating circumstances if I were to arrest them.
But to answer your question. I became an out spoken proponent for the RTKABA's in CO and have had several hundred students as a civilian Armed Self Defense Instructor and one of the things I have discussed with MANY people about them CCW w/o a permit and I found that between 1 in 6 to 1 in 8 'average citizens' carried w/o a permit.
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