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tomharkness 08-30-2009 07:12 PM

Obama and the Federal Organized Crime groups have hired/employed, and called to action SEIU Union Thugs to help quiet the opposition to the Obamanation programs.
Would anyone that is CCW or CHL trained be opposed to providing safety to the grassroots people that are trying to speak up against this insanity?

Texanbybirth 08-30-2009 09:03 PM

Are the union thugs bringing guns? How would we know the "good guys" from the "bad guys"? I thought the 1st Ammendment applied to them too. Obama would love to declare marshall law and start a huge gun collection. He would also like to make us look like an unruly mob brandishing firearms to taunt the other side. I think this request is best sent to the police.

If you can, show up in force with your coworkers in uniforms. Let them know that they aren't the only ones that can wear uniforms and work in unison. I'm not saying that you shouldn't protect yourself, but a CHL doesn't make us police officers.

CA357 08-30-2009 09:04 PM

It's a really, really bad idea.

tomharkness 09-01-2009 03:19 AM

You are assuming that CHL holders would be “Brandishing Guns” to intimidate the opposition. It sounds to me like you have little faith in those that own guns. Yes, the 1st Amendment applies to both sides. As for who is the good guy and who is the bad guy… I believe that general rule is: “He whom throws the first punch is the first to admit that he has lost the argument”. There is where you will see the “Bad Guy”.

You appear to have a very low opinion of the mental stability of the average CHL holder. To think that they would use that firearm inappropriately would be a clear capitulation with the oppositional argument that they should not be gun owners. I know that CHL does not make anyone a police officer, but the “FREE STATE”, as clearly documented in the U.S. Constitution and the fundamental standards written by Sir Robert Peel (Father of Modern Policing) do make it clear that the only difference between the Police and the Public is that of Jurisdiction, not Power and Authority.

Union Thugs must not be allowed to intimidate, harass, or injure/kill those of us that believe in defending the U.S. Constitution against all enemies, FOREIGN or DOMESTIC. The time to take up Arms must be done before it is too late. However, I do agree that it is easier to overthrow this government with a vote than with arms… Therefore, if you don’t vote, you have no need for arms.

Still further, when Obama is thru, the Union Thugs and the Liberal Progressives will have done so much damage to this Country that there will be nothing worth fighting for. At what point do you suggest we stand up and fight? Just when do we start coming together and doing what we promised to do… defend our country?

We must hang together or we will surely be hung together. Now is the time for all good men to come to the aid of their country!!!!

Texanbybirth 09-01-2009 04:03 AM

Obama would love for one of his union thugs to become a martyr for his cause. All it takes is for 1 idiot to overreact and the media and the left will milk it for all it's worth. Especially if they find out that a group of CHL holders got together and planned to carry in mass. At best, that state's CHL laws may be altered in a way we won't like. Carry if you like. I'll never stand in the way of someone wanting to defend themselves, but to encourage others to carry to provide "security" for protesters is asking for trouble. You are talking to a bunch of strangers on the internet and for all you know, I could be a racist, bigotted nutjob with a gun. I'm not, but my point is that it only takes one to do a bunch of damage to our legal ability to carry. Open carry in Texas would become a distant dream.

We can organize, wear uniforms, carry signs, and excercise our 1st ammendment rights without upping the ante. Just because we have the right to do something doesn't make it wise.

tomharkness 09-02-2009 08:36 PM

You know, it really does not matter who makes any mistake, Liberal Progressives would love to use anyone or anything to make their cause. One thing I have learned in my life is that Liberal Progressives win every argument they attend simply by being on both sides of the argument and having the media on their side. But it is time that we stop being so worried about political correctness and start standing for something before we lose it all. As for CHL holders, there is as much a chance that someone with a CHL would qualify as a “racist, Bigot, or Nut-job” as there is for a Police Officer going nuts and shooting an ex-girlfriend or beating up their spouse….. happens all the time…. And they go through more stringent background checks than CHL’s.

We can organize… but will we? As long as we are so afraid to be used as Obama’s poster child for why handguns should be illegal, we will never be organized until we are being hung together. I suppose I should not encourage CHL to gather to protect others against Union Thugs, but I do believe that the CHL holders need to stop being herded like lambs to slaughter simply because they don’t want to lose their “Privilege” that Mommy Government has given them with the CHL (even though it is a “Right” that our forefathers fought and died for). I am not suggesting that CHL holders show up with guns drawn and threatening anyone. I am suggesting that CHL holders show up with “Concealed Handguns” that no one knows they have, and stand toe to toe with the Union Thugs and stand their ground… and if necessary (as per Texas State Law and Constitutional Law), reduce the number of Union Thugs present as appropriate. When they are as afraid to threaten us as we are of what their government will do to us for protecting ourselves, then we will have parity.

As for Open Carry: not sure I like that or not. Open carry would just allow Union Thugs to know who to attack first. I like mine out of sight and out of their minds… until I pull the trigger.

Racist? Please Define Racist: When the term racist is defined by the person with the highest politically correct credentials in the room… and that definition can be changed 180 out of phase within the context of the definition during the defining, you might as well just accept that you are a racist and move on. That person with the definition might be a good practice target as well.

Texanbybirth 09-02-2009 09:42 PM

I wasn't accusing anybody of being racist. My point is that you are encouraging a bunch of complete strangers to bring guns to a political rally to provide "protection" from those with opposing views. So far, I've only heard of 1 guy being beat up by union thugs. (I think it was near St. Louis.) Take your gun and be safe. I just don't think it's wise to organize with strangers to try to act like law enforcement. You would have no idea who you are dealing with.

If some conservatives were beating up a union guy, would you intervene? That's not what you implied. Call the cops in advance if you are worried about security. Start your own town hall meeting outside if they pack the building and don't let your side be heard. There are lots of options. The public knows what's going on anyway and the politicians are scared for their positions. As they should be.

tomharkness 09-03-2009 02:00 AM

I understand your concern, but still, I am trying to get you out of the frame of mind that “Complete Strangers” throughout the U.S. are a problem. I am trying to communicate with U.S. Citizens that believe in the truth, justice, and the American way… you know, like what our forefathers believed. It is time for these “Complete Strangers” to stand up and fight for what is right. We have been moving Socialist for more than 40 years. We need to get the “Declaration of Independence”, update it to 2010 and deliver it to the U.S. Government.

You ask: If some conservatives were beating up a Union Thug, would I intervene? I will have to think about that for while. You see, I am Union [Card Carrying AFL-CIO] and the only time I have ever been afraid to go to work was when I let them know that I was Conservative.

The damage my own union has done to my personal vehicle, the damage that my own union has done to my career, and the damage that my own union has done to me through intimidation and threats…. Well, if some conservatives were beating up a Union Thug here in the Austin Area… I would probably be one of the Conservatives… and they would be from my Union.

WDB 09-03-2009 03:42 AM


Originally Posted by tomharkness (Post 153189)
Obama and the Federal Organized Crime groups have hired/employed, and called to action SEIU Union Thugs to help quiet the opposition to the Obamanation programs.
Would anyone that is CCW or CHL trained be opposed to providing safety to the grassroots people that are trying to speak up against this insanity?

You need to link facts to your opinion to get honest interest. Otherwise your just spewing BS. No offense but enough with random thoughts seen as real. Post your facts and links to those are important. Otherwise your just trying to stir the pot.

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