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paulbrower 09-18-2011 01:47 PM

CCW Practice Draws?
 
When I took my CCW course (www.udrange.com, from Sgt Paul Bastean), Sgt Bastean told us that of the 6000+ people he had taught since 2003, he was aware of three 'shoot' incidents. All were justified, but one in particular, the guy could not get his weapon out of his pocket. By the time he finally got it out, the assailant had fired several times. Luckily, the assailant was an idiot, and had loaded 3 types of rounds in a revolver, and all shots were misfires.

What I took away from this, was that whether you've got an IWB, pocket, or ankle holster, you need to practice. I mean, what's the point of carrying if you can't get it out in under a second? Do you guys/gals practice daily? Whatever I'm packing (Ruger LCP pocket or Glock 27 IWB for me), every morning when I get to work, I shut my door and practice retrieving my weapon for 5-10 minutes. I can have them out less than a second.

(and yes, concealed weapons are ok where I work. I've told my boss I would quit if they prohibited them)

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AOK 09-18-2011 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by paulbrower (Post 582146)
When I took my CCW course (Ultimate Defense Firing Range & Training Center, from Sgt Paul Bastean), Sgt Bastean told us that of the 6000+ people he had taught since 2003, he was aware of three 'shoot' incidents. All were justified, but one in particular, the guy could not get his weapon out of his pocket. By the time he finally got it out, the assailant had fired several times. Luckily, the assailant was an idiot, and had loaded 3 types of rounds in a revolver, and all shots were misfires.

What I took away from this, was that whether you've got an IWB, pocket, or ankle holster, you need to practice. I mean, what's the point of carrying if you can't get it out in under a second? Do you guys/gals practice daily? Whatever I'm packing (Ruger LCP pocket or Glock 27 IWB for me), every morning when I get to work, I shut my door and practice retrieving my weapon for 5-10 minutes. I can have them out less than a second.

(and yes, concealed weapons are ok where I work. I've told my boss I would quit if they prohibited them)

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Personally I practice on average of 30 minutes a day working on a variety of things I've learned in classes and private instruction. Sometimes as little as 15 minutes and sometimes up to a couple of hours days I go to the range.

Time wise, from a standstill, hands down by side, with cover garment, 15-18 feet my first three draws (with no warm up) averages around 1.24 seconds with a shot on CM. Yes, I can go a little faster but this is a speed where everything is nice and smooth and a great sight picture on my intended target.

Unfortunately I know several people who carry but hardly go to the range a few times a year let alone work on getting their gun out to defend themselves. I think part of it is people don't realize how unprepared they are for a life and death encounter (you don't know what you don't know) and for other's it's just not high on their priority list.

CHLChris 09-18-2011 03:44 PM

If I could "plan" a possible critical incident against me in which I had to protect my life, I would be well-prepared and have received every bit of training I could.

However, in real life my time is quite limited, as is my money. Since training classes and range time takes money as well as time, I do what I can. But I dont feel too bad knowing that it is better to be armed and undertrained than unarmed and undertrained.

At the very least I make sure I am carrying a firearm that is clean and has ammo that cycled well a few months ago at the range.

YMMV (and probably does...)

JonM 09-18-2011 04:00 PM

i would thnk if your being actively fired upon first thing is seek cover then deploy your firearm. but all what-iffs are different and its possible to what-if yourself to the rubber room.

practicing your draw with an empty gun is critical. practicing for a bunch of what-ifs is the path to insanity.

MrWray 09-18-2011 04:06 PM

I know tht most LEOs do this to but i even do this during concealed carry.. Just like conducting a traffic stop, if the driver or passenger were acting hinky or even if i got a weird feeling in my stomache i would unsnap the thumb break or in my case i used a blackhawk level 3 serpa holster so i would pop the hood forward tht way it was one less action i would have to make if i had to pull "which i had to ALOT" if im out somewhere i study my surroundings and the behavior of every person around me. If i ever get tht gut feeling tht i always trust i will secretly unsnap my thumb break, some people use open top holsters which r good too. I just like a thumb break for my 1911

MrWray 09-18-2011 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by JonM
i would thnk if your being actively fired upon first thing is seek cover then deploy your firearm. but all what-iffs are different and its possible to what-if yourself to the rubber room.

practicing your draw with an empty gun is critical. practicing for a bunch of what-ifs is the path to insanity.

Not tooting my own horn jon but talking about draw speed and training kicking in. We had a situation one time where a person with a felony warrant refused to come out of his mothers house so we had a stand off with him through a sliding glass door. I had my 870 14" barrel shotgun and my cpt beside me and undersheriff and sheriff behind me authorized forced enrty. I exploded the sliding glass door with the barrel of my 870 and set the shotgun down,pulled my X26 and while the glass was still falling i tased the subject through the falling glass and entered the residence. But i didnt know tht it went down this fast until we had the subject in custody and my reserve riding with me told me how fast i did it.. Just an example of training mixed with adrenalin

paulbrower 09-18-2011 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by CHLChris
If I could "plan" a possible critical incident against me in which I had to protect my life, I would be well-prepared and have received every bit of training I could.

However, in real life my time is quite limited, as is my money. Since training classes and range time takes money as well as time, I do what I can. But I dont feel too bad knowing that it is better to be armed and undertrained than unarmed and undertrained.

At the very least I make sure I am carrying a firearm that is clean and has ammo that cycled well a few months ago at the range.

YMMV (and probably does...)

I somewhat disagree. Yes, it's our god-given right to carry, but we need to do everything we can to be prepared. Just the other day a couple of cops accidentally shot two bystanders. IMO, if you can't budget your time and money to practice drawing and shooting, then you are being somewhat irresponsible. Not meaning to argue with you, just my two cents. (In all fairness, if I couldn't afford practice ammo, I'd still carry)

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CHLChris 09-18-2011 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by paulbrower (Post 582224)
I somewhat disagree. Yes, it's our god-given right to carry, but we need to do everything we can to be prepared. Just the other day a couple of cops accidentally shot two bystanders. IMO, if you can't budget your time and money to practice drawing and shooting, then you are being somewhat irresponsible. Not meaning to argue with you, just my two cents. (In all fairness, if I couldn't afford practice ammo, I'd still carry)

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I made it sound somewhat callous, didn't I? I take it very seriously, my responsibilities as a sheep dog and my skills as a CHL holder. I mentally rehearse all the time, visualizing situations (my mind just never stops so I do this during little 5-minute free chunks of time or whatever).

I just don't spend 10 minutes a day drawing my gun. I'm glad others do, though.

Lindenwood 09-18-2011 11:48 PM

I practice specifically on my draw maybe half an hour per week total (including in my car), which is how I ended up with my specific carry position and concealment garment choices.

I was amazed how much trouble I had early on regarding quick-draws. I'm no Wyatt Earp or whatever, but at least now I'm pretty confident my hand will end up in the right place and I won't get tangled up in my clothes or anything?

levelcross 09-30-2011 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by CHLChris (Post 582204)
If I could "plan" a possible critical incident against me in which I had to protect my life, I would be well-prepared and have received every bit of training I could.

However, in real life my time is quite limited, as is my money. Since training classes and range time takes money as well as time, I do what I can. But I dont feel too bad knowing that it is better to be armed and undertrained than unarmed and undertrained.

At the very least I make sure I am carrying a firearm that is clean and has ammo that cycled well a few months ago at the range.

YMMV (and probably does...)

IMHO I feel that in a high stress situation your life depends on the training that you have invested in keeping yourself safe and alive. I practice my draws with my weapon empty, when I get into my truck I stage my weapon in another holster that I have mounted in my truck. I practice my draws from both of these holsters often, over and over.


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