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Old 07-01-2013, 06:42 PM   #111
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Money has been the biggest reason he hasn't got one yet. I talked to him again about it and he is going to get one soon. I told him I would chip in on it long as he pays me back someday. Much better than the consequences

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Money has been the biggest reason he hasn't got one yet. I talked to him again about it and he is going to get one soon. I told him I would chip in on it long as he pays me back someday. Much better than the consequences
You are what I would call a good friend. Well done. I hope he takes you up on your offer.
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Old 07-02-2013, 06:25 PM   #114
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You are what I would call a good friend. Well done. I hope he takes you up on your offer.
Mighty kind of you!! If you have to help him make that decision, not sure if he is ready! Just my thoughts!!
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Money has been the biggest reason he hasn't got one yet. I talked to him again about it and he is going to get one soon. I told him I would chip in on it long as he pays me back someday. Much better than the consequences
Somehow when they came up with the line, "Freedom isn't free" I don't think this is what they had in mind
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I'd say it depends on the penalties in your jurisdiction... and if your "buddy" ... is willing to live with the consequences.

IMHO needing a permit IS a violation of the bill of rights. In essence it's the practice of charging a fee to exercise a civil right, which is unconstitutional.

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Here in AZ we can carry open or concealed without a CCW. I have mine and several in other states as well mainly for reciprocity ....and to stay legal.

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Here in AZ we can carry open or concealed without a CCW. I have mine and several in other states as well mainly for reciprocity ....and to stay legal.
If you really want to get into Az law, 21+ can cc or oc without a permit. 18-20 (thats me!!) can only open carry, which, to me, sucks. Some day ill go to he Az board an get that discussion going.
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I'd say it depends on the penalties in your jurisdiction... and if your "buddy" ... is willing to live with the consequences.

IMHO needing a permit IS a violation of the bill of rights. In essence it's the practice of charging a fee to exercise a civil right, which is unconstitutional.

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Well stated. Also asking the Government permission to exercise a right takes the Second amendment from the status of a right recognized by the Constitution and regulates it the role of a privilege granted by the government.
No one would suggest that we prevent libel or internet bullying by requiring a license to access the internet or by requiring prior government approval of face book posts. Why then do we accept licensing requirements and background checks?
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Well stated. Also asking the Government permission to exercise a right takes the Second amendment from the status of a right recognized by the Constitution and regulates it the role of a privilege granted by the government.
No one would suggest that we prevent libel or internet bullying by requiring a license to access the internet or by requiring prior government approval of face book posts. Why then do we accept licensing requirements and background checks?
Excellent questions... my only answers would be because that's the system we had when I "arrived".

I would note that growing up, the notion of people carrying concealed handguns was... well... nuts, I mean, only "criminals" did that, right?

But nowadays it's pretty common place so things seem to be moving in the right direction.

However, the "asking permission thing" is why over the last year or so, I have really begun to embrace OC.

I've been a CC guy for 17 years but something about knowing that while OCing I'm under NO obligation to "show my papers"... strikes a chord with me.

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