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Old 12-16-2009, 05:39 AM   #41
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No... I'm saying you can't ask a baseball player what the greatest sport is. In other words, you can't be objective about OCD. However I do believe that if you are capable of getting a drivers license and have no criminal history you certainly should be able to CCW.
You shouldn't NEED a CCW-- you don't DRIVE a gun.
The point is that unless someone is a proven threat to to people, then there is NO RIGHT to DENY them the same rights as everyone else under the law. This is simply medieval hysteria, basically little more than a witch-hunt, in order appease the ruling mob.

In truth, NO law can prohibit anyone from carrying a concealed weapon; but the politicans don't give 2 rat's butts about the Constitution, since they know that it can't STOP bad legislation-- it can only REPEAL it, IF it comes before a Supreme Court.

And before that happens, FEW people are going to throw themselves down in front of the Leviathan juggernaut in order to stop it-- i.e. either to get arrested and jailed for years awaiting appeal-- or else going to spend all sorts of money in order to

The COPS sure aren't going to obey the Constitution; and neither are the prosecutors, since they get PAID to arrest, charge and convict people, saying that they're "tough on crime."\

They're NOT paid to uphold the Constitution! They're all politicians pandering to the mob: they face NO adverse consequences for passing, enforcing, prosecuting OR upholding unconstitutional laws, as long as it pleases the voting sheeple.

Likewise, judges usually won't obey the Constitution-- they face NO adverse consequences for claiming that it doesn't apply. And the Supreme Court doesn't either. So no one in their right mind would RISK breaking the law, simply because it's unconstitutional-- the Constitution is PAPER, not steel.

Likewise, NO ONE-- not even the NRA-- is going to spend money CHALLENGING these laws in court.

So if a bad law gets passed against you, you're simply screwed... just be glad you're not a fetus.
That's why laws are passed against the weakest members of society-- they're easy targets who can't fight back, due to lack of power in numbers, popularlity, money, influence etc.
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Old 12-16-2009, 06:32 AM   #42
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One of the biggest things keeping me from trying to pursue a CPL is the fact that I have recieved disability for my OCD,it has gotten bad enough to prevent me from holding down work.A judgemental person would say,"oh,well if you can't hold down a job then you shouldn't have the right to carry a gun then".But that's where they are wrong.I see a CPL the same as a drivers license,in which I have held since I was 16.I am fully capable of knowing the difference between right and wrong,reality and unreality,and I can drive a vehicle,I am not mentally unstable at all.I have a severe anxiety disorder is all,not a dementia induced illness.I have personally seen alot of mentally ill people get off busses and go into the psychiatrists office,and clearly they aren't all there,and more than likly they can't drive or get a drivers license,ok,I understand that,and I understand why the state is careful to not give CPLs to someone that is unstable,but seriously,OCD??My simple OCD prevents me from getting a CPL?
You don't quite understand the hysterical STIGMA attached to mental illness since the beginning of time, and even today it's considered an abnormality which drives most people into hiding their problems with alcoholism, cult-religions, anti-social hostility and working for the post-office-- but that's ALL ok, as long as they can escape the diagnosis of "mental illness."
But once you get that Scarlet Letter on you, it NEVER comes off-- society permanently tags you as "damaged goods--" and this is just one more example of the medieval stigma and hysteria that continues on to this day that continues to this day right out of the Dark Ages, so that people can continue to feel superior by pointing fingers and "casting out demons."

It's simply a matter of oppressing and scapegoating an unpopular group based on pure institutionalized prejudice-- which they defend as "upholding long-standing prohibitions."

It's not a matter of your having accepted disability compensation-- it's a matter of having been DIAGNOSED with a mental illness, which the state definss as ANY mental problem that keeps a person from "dealing with everyday life."

But if you have a PHYSICAL disability like cancer or some illness that has the same result, then that's not considered the same way-- due to PURE PREJUDICE, i.e. the public hysterical paranoia that you MIGHT do something wrong because you're "crazy."

It's no different from any other prejudicial stigma based on race, color, creed etc.

Of course this is a sheer violation of the 14th Amendment right to equal protection of the laws, as well as the Americans with Disabilities Act; but again, it takes money to challenge it.
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I went to an appointment with my psychiatrist this morning,and among other things I discussed my frustration with the state's CCW laws,and my frustration for being labeled "mentally ill".He agreed that In my case,carrying a gun does not put me or anyone else at any more risk than if I was a normal person,but he did explain why the laws are in place,because alot of the "mentally ill" could pose a risk.I can see getting the CCW with alot of fighting to get it,appeals and what not,I'm just not sure if that kind of fight is worth my time.

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I went to an appointment with my psychiatrist this morning,and among other things I discussed my frustration with the state's CCW laws,and my frustration for being labeled "mentally ill".He agreed that In my case,carrying a gun does not put me or anyone else at any more risk than if I was a normal person,but he did explain why the laws are in place,because alot of the "mentally ill" could pose a risk.I can see getting the CCW with alot of fighting to get it,appeals and what not,I'm just not sure if that kind of fight is worth my time.
You have a point. It will take alot of time and more important money. Sorry to hear that.
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I went to an appointment with my psychiatrist this morning,and among other things I discussed my frustration with the state's CCW laws,and my frustration for being labeled "mentally ill".He agreed that In my case,carrying a gun does not put me or anyone else at any more risk than if I was a normal person,but he did explain why the laws are in place,because alot of the "mentally ill" could pose a risk.I can see getting the CCW with alot of fighting to get it,appeals and what not,I'm just not sure if that kind of fight is worth my time.
Well, it's your call and it boils down to how much you want the CCW. If you are happy to make do with keeping your firearm at home and/or carrying openly, then it's no biggie and you can afford to let it slide.

If, however, you really seriously want to legally carry concealed, then you're going to have to do the hard yards and invest money and time.

My humble suggestion is you locate others like yourself who are deemed fit to purchase a firearm, due to passing the requirements, yet not fit to carry concealed, due to a stupid blanket law that does not differentiate between OCD and wanting to watch society burn, and pool your resources.

Here in NZ, the Commissioner of Police has decided to re-interpret the (rather stupid) "Military-Style Semi-Automatic" rule and say that "free-standing pistol grip" also includes hole-through target stocks - which would mean that all owners of certain target semiautos would have to meet additional criteria and get a specialised endorsement on their firearms licence or they would be automatically guilty of owning an illegal firearm.

One man thought "screw this" and set up his own organisation to fight this unlawful reinterpretation, on the part of a single civil functionary, through our court system. He did this because our so-called shooters' rights organisations here all rolled over and took the "reinterpretation".

He's put up a lot of his own money and time but he also sought (and got) donations and he set up his own shooters' rights group to give a big middle finger to both the Commissioner and the so-called "shooters' advocate" groups. He charges membership fees that go towards his court action.

Sometimes it takes someone saying "No more." and meaning it and being willing to step up and do something about it to get things done.

When our self-professed advocates turned around and said, "so what? Who cares about a handful of people with target-stocked semis? Please, Mr Commissioner, screw us up the arse again" one man stood up and said "I'll see you in court" and galvanised others to help and support him.

If you seriously want your CCW and want to challenge the system, you can - and you needn't do it on your own, I'm willing to bet there are plenty of others in your State that are similarly affected and are just waiting for someone to get of his/her arse and start something.

Just my tuppence-worth.
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Well, it's your call and it boils down to how much you want the CCW. If you are happy to make do with keeping your firearm at home and/or carrying openly, then it's no biggie and you can afford to let it slide.

If, however, you really seriously want to legally carry concealed, then you're going to have to do the hard yards and invest money and time.

My humble suggestion is you locate others like yourself who are deemed fit to purchase a firearm, due to passing the requirements, yet not fit to carry concealed, due to a stupid blanket law that does not differentiate between OCD and wanting to watch society burn, and pool your resources.

Here in NZ, the Commissioner of Police has decided to re-interpret the (rather stupid) "Military-Style Semi-Automatic" rule and say that "free-standing pistol grip" also includes hole-through target stocks - which would mean that all owners of certain target semiautos would have to meet additional criteria and get a specialised endorsement on their firearms licence or they would be automatically guilty of owning an illegal firearm.

One man thought "screw this" and set up his own organisation to fight this unlawful reinterpretation, on the part of a single civil functionary, through our court system. He did this because our so-called shooters' rights organisations here all rolled over and took the "reinterpretation".

He's put up a lot of his own money and time but he also sought (and got) donations and he set up his own shooters' rights group to give a big middle finger to both the Commissioner and the so-called "shooters' advocate" groups. He charges membership fees that go towards his court action.

Sometimes it takes someone saying "No more." and meaning it and being willing to step up and do something about it to get things done.

When our self-professed advocates turned around and said, "so what? Who cares about a handful of people with target-stocked semis? Please, Mr Commissioner, screw us up the arse again" one man stood up and said "I'll see you in court" and galvanised others to help and support him.

If you seriously want your CCW and want to challenge the system, you can - and you needn't do it on your own, I'm willing to bet there are plenty of others in your State that are similarly affected and are just waiting for someone to get of his/her arse and start something.

Just my tuppence-worth.
I understand stupid law changes.Back in the 90's here in MI,USA pellet pistols were nothing more than toys as far as the law was concerned,but the law changed making all pellet pistols firearms-and not only that,but that they are to be registered the same as any other handgun.I'll bet there are thousands of people with unregistered illegal "handguns" out there.On another note,as I was walking from my shooting range with my 9mm yesterday,I pondered why is it legal for my to own this handgun,transport it and shoot it legally,but I can't get a permit to carry it.It's weird.I have no mental health history at all as far as the law is concerned-so that's why I passed the background check to be eligible to purchase a handgun-I am not a risk of suicide by owning a gun(that's 99% of the reason on limiting sales to the mentall ill),so why are they saying I can't get a carry permit if they say I am just fine to own the gun?If I WAS a NUT-wouldn't I go on my rampage the moment I was allowed the gun and conceal it without thought because I was incompetent?So what has the law done to improve society by saying a law abiding gun owner can't carry thier gun?That's the case I am in-I am pretty much normal and have a clean record-so the law can't restric my gun ownership-but they pull crap to try to unfairly weed out the "wrong people" from carrying-which they are doing a terrible job at-just look at my case.
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Our standard point of contention: "How does making it harder on responsible, legal owners (who have jumped through a large number of hoops already) adversely affect those who do not respect the law and are using illegally obtained weapons?"

"Hey mate, you read that licensed firearms owners now have to get checked every couple of years and the licence fees are going up."
"Yeah? That reminds me, I've got to see if Bobby's had any more guns come in, I'd like to upgrade to a .45 if he's got one..."

Yep, it really has the crims quaking in their boots...

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Our standard point of contention: "How does making it harder on responsible, legal owners (who have jumped through a large number of hoops already) adversely affect those who do not respect the law and are using illegally obtained weapons?"

"Hey mate, you read that licensed firearms owners now have to get checked every couple of years and the licence fees are going up."
"Yeah? That reminds me, I've got to see if Bobby's had any more guns come in, I'd like to upgrade to a .45 if he's got one..."

Yep, it really has the crims quaking in their boots...
At some point they will probably come after my rights to own at all-if they ever make it mandatory that my medical(mental health)records be open for the state to see,which in some places is already happening.I'm sure in my 14 years of off and on therapy I may have made statements like I want to give up or want to die(which everyone has felt at some point)but because it is all written down i'm screwed.I say forget that-I have proven myself by my long clean record-years and years of no felonies,no misdemeanors,nothing,yet the criminals will still carry a gun.It's like the government is run by Satan or something,"lets not work too hard to keep guns out of criminals' hands-but lets take them away from as many law abiding people as we can".
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Well,I got ahold of the state police thinking that they would give me some answers on getting a CCW while having OCD,but they didn't have any answers but told me all decisions to grant or deny are up to the county gun board.So today,a few weeks later,I finally sent an email to the county asking them/the gun board if having OCD will disqualify me from a CCW-now I have asked the ones who are ultimatly going to give me the answer.I feel I need to ask them before I spend $200+ on the class and then $105 when I apply.I haven't heard back from them yet,but I will post what they say as soon as they reply.

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I think that if you want to spend the time and money to fight it, you could win the right to get a carry permit eventualy, but this just shows why being TOO HONEST and transparent isn't allways smart.
The problem here is that the responsable people like ninja are good enough to be honest, but the people that are hearing voices and setting kittens on fire aren't going to voluntarily declair they're mentaly ill on paper!
What he said.
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