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Old 06-19-2011, 03:47 AM   #31
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Think about this-I shot an old computer desk at 10-15 feet with a 12 gauge and birdshot,and it went through multiple panels of the 3/4" particle board,I then went back to about 10 yards-nothing but barely scratching the surface.I will never give up my 000 buck that I keep handy for birdshot,never.
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Old 06-19-2011, 05:09 AM   #32
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I may catch a lot of flack for this statement...but here goes anyway.

If you are not able to take a life with a gun...you should not be planning on using it for self defense. You are better off not having a gun, than having it and not being able to pull the trigger. That is how people end up looking down the barrel of their own gun...after it has been taken away from them.

I am not saying that anyone should not have a range gun. I am saying that if you know you can't shoot someone, lock it up when not in use.
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while i do use birdshot for my bedroom pump(with four slugs in the buttsock for zombie bears) i don't keep ratshot for my pistols. but if, and only if, that's what you got go for the face. taking out there eyes and sinus will give a major tactical advantage
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Now, intresting story that I heard from my dad, he fought in the Malayan Emergency. And you know what someone used to do wrong? They used to send them birdshot, like 20 pellets in a shell, compared to what they should've had, which was something like 8 pellets in a shell, which the latter was very effective against CT's, according to my dad. But my dad said that the 20 pellet shells was so ineffective "That you might as well have thrown dry rice."
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Who are you quoting? What in the world are you talking about?

I'm repeating what I teach.

If you need to apply deadly force, to shoot someone in your home, or who is or has attempted to murder you or a loved one, it is better to finish the job.
People who have wounded or left a perpetrator alive then face any number of slithering lawyers, and in fact have lost their homes to court actions in favor of the original criminal who tried to do them harm.
When I teach home defense, I advise women to shoot until the gun is empty. Until there isn't any twitch left in the criminal.


Dead criminals are never repeat offenders.
And that is based on experiance.
Firearms are deadly weapons. They are meant to be.
Personally, I would never put "bird shot" in any rifled barrel. That is asinine in my experiance.
The OP is relating what some idiot suggested.
If your first 3 are bullets, you are that much closer to the objective, kill before being killed.
If two of those are bird shot, you wasted two shots and only pissed off the criminal who wants to harm you.
I teach to kill. And to make damned sure the job is done.

Living with the aftermath is what shrinks are for. But the key word there is "Living..."
I'd much rather console their trauma,
Than to water the flowers on their grave with my tears.

Are you beginning to understand?
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I'm repeating what I teach.
Are you beginning to understand?
Are you telling me that what you teach is shoot until the threat stops being a threat, then keep shooting until the threat "stops twitching"?

Very. Bad. Advice.



This thread keeps vacillating between 12-ga bird shot and 38spl shot.
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Are you telling me that what you teach is shoot until the threat stops being a threat, then keep shooting until the threat "stops twitching"?

Very. Bad. Advice.

This thread keeps vacillating between 12-ga bird shot and 38spl shot.

You are most welcome to your own opinion.

I teach that if they have to shoot, then kill. And make sure they kill.

I sleep very well knowing survivors because of my advice and teaching.

You have a nice Fathers Day.
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Hey Robo,
I can go you one better than pepper spray, Wasp spray!
Effectively has a 20' range. Is available anywhere.
And it will deter a bear. Let alone a two legged varmint.
While the perp is rolling around, put a round (or a clip) in the head.

I advise that if deadly force is needed, be sure to apply it until any twitch is gone.
"I panicked and I kept pulling the trigger even after the gun was empty."
That advise will land YOU and whoever you are "teaching" in JAIL!!!
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I'm repeating what I teach.

If you need to apply deadly force, to shoot someone in your home, or who is or has attempted to murder you or a loved one, it is better to finish the job.
People who have wounded or left a perpetrator alive then face any number of slithering lawyers, and in fact have lost their homes to court actions in favor of the original criminal who tried to do them harm.
I guess one of your dsciples is that drug store dude that just got sent to jail for life... PLEASE stop "teaching". You have no clue of the legal ramifications of what you are telling the uneducated that listen to you...
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Nope, Wambli. I have no idea who that store owner is.

But you, too, are entitled to your opinion. Everybody has one.

Happy Fathers Day!
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