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Dillinger 02-21-2010 09:18 PM

The Argument against all forms OTHER than Condition One
 
So, how many times has this been discussed, argued and thrown around?

Probably a few thousand??

Well, My Friends, I give you the definitive argument for Condition One and why it is THE condition for carry for those that understand the problem.

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s195/Liberator13/collateral.gif

Take this situation and insert any of the other carry conditions with your chosen firearm.

Notice that the shooter even flubs his initial grab for his weapon AND you can see the tug of the holster against his pants as he unleashes the weapon to get it smoking.

What would THAT outcome be???

gorknoids 02-21-2010 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Dillinger (Post 234138)
So, how many times has this been discussed, argued and thrown around?

Probably a few thousand??

Well, My Friends, I give you the definitive argument for Condition One and why it is THE condition for carry for those that understand the problem.

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s195/Liberator13/collateral.gif

Take this situation and insert any of the other carry conditions with your chosen firearm.

Notice that the shooter even flubs his initial grab for his weapon AND you can see the tug of the holster against his pants as he unleashes the weapon to get it smoking.

What would THAT outcome be???

This clip fully supports the necessity of carrying hot. It also supports the efficacy of point-shooting. And Mozambique drills. It can happen that damned fast.

IGETEVEN 02-21-2010 09:42 PM

IMO, if you are not confidant, comfortable, and experienced enough in your own ability to carry and use your firearm in condition one......put it back in the damn safe.

Jack

Dillinger 02-21-2010 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by gorknoids (Post 234154)
It also supports the efficacy of point-shooting.

Did you notice that instead of "traditional" point shooting, he uses the Israeli method though? Arm bent at the elbow, Bicep/tricep close to the body ad aligning down the forearm through the "Y" of the web of the hand.

I have a good friend who was a former 'Teams guy and he swears by this method for close action. He showed me his way of doing it and he was AMAZINGLY accurate at 7 yards going from gun leather to rounds on target.

I love that scene and thought it was one of the best put on film surrounding the need to go from relaxed to full blown body dropping in a heartbeat. Kudos to one of my favorite directors Michael Mann. that guy rocks!!

I rewatched the movie this weekend and felt the need to track down that .GIF because it really can happen that damn fast if you find yourself in the wrong place at the wrong time. :eek:

I love that they left the bobble for the gun in holster in the film, that adds to the dynamics of the scene in my eyes. No one is going to get that perfect in a real world situation.....

canebrake 02-21-2010 09:54 PM

I love Mozambique drills.

http://i695.photobucket.com/albums/v...1/1av-3486.gif

I wonder how long Cruise took to master the "look"?

Dillinger 02-21-2010 10:10 PM

I no longer subscribe to the Mozambique Drill. I always did when I was younger & I practiced it a lot.

Then I was taught Combat Focus at Valhalla and I have practiced that since then.

Nothing wrong with Mozambique if you can shoot that well & guarantee it. I think I probably can, but I am not, was not, 100% ( 100 Percent ), sure.

I learned that, with Combat Focus, adrenaline, light/lack of light, unfamilar settings, sweat, anticipation, everything that can happen to a person in a sudden, traumatic event don't play into that one bad/missed shot.

I encourage everyone to train, shoot, practice with what they believe in and what they think works for them.

For me and mine, we abide by Combat Focus.

JD

gorknoids 02-21-2010 10:17 PM

I suscribe to "Shoot first, and shoot a lot". You need to be in Condition One to do that.

Gatekeeper 02-21-2010 10:21 PM

I usually practice Mozambique's, but am always trying new and different things.
Care to elaborate on "Combat Focus", JD?

Dillinger 02-21-2010 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Gatekeeper (Post 234180)
I usually practice Mozambique's, but am always trying new and different things.
Care to elaborate on "Combat Focus", JD?

Rob Pincus, a member here, was the driving force behind Valhalla's training and Combat Focus is his baby.

Essentially what the idea behind it is, if you haven't seen a ton of combat, if you aren't used to having a weapon in your face or a threat in your immediate future, you become "focused" on that one lone threat.

Tunnel Vision takes over and you will probably not be able to just "snap" out of it as your sole life preserving thought is to end THAT threat that is immediately in front of you.

It goes back to Fight or Flight programming. When the issue of fight happens, your adrenaline dumps and you want to end the threat as quickly as possible.

In Combat Focus, as your attention is focused on that one threat, you make the most of it. You draw your weapon, you acquire that target that you are focused on, and you shoot until that threat is no longer a threat. You end that threat.

Then you refocus on the area around you. You don't try to do a round count, you don't try to balance "did I fire 3 shots, 6 because I need more rounds" in case there are more attackers.

Well, what if there are no other attackers and your first 3 rounds are not enough? Or you miss the head shot because the body is in motion??

With Combat Focus, you use the bodies' natural adrenaline, your bodies' natural conditions at the time of the event. You turn that ability on your attacker and you make sure that first attacker goes down hard and stays down.

In Combat Focus, you plan to do a tactical reload, you plan on "needing" more rounds to finish a fight, because you plan on using every round needed to put that first attacker in the dirt.

I would HIGHLY recommend picking up Rob's book and reading it, if not taking one of his classes. It was EYE OPENING for me personally.

JD

gorknoids 02-22-2010 12:03 AM

I've always thought that the Mozambique would be more effective if done in reverse.


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