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jps37033 11-16-2009 01:35 AM

Ammo load for protection?
 
I am curious to know if I am the only person that staggers the ammo my mags in my handgun for protection?

I use 147gr JHP's, 115 gr FMJ, and 124gr JHP's. I do JHP then FMJ and so on.

I do this in case the JHP's are not penetrating due to heavy clothing or such.

Does anyone else do this?

Flint Rock 11-16-2009 02:44 AM

I know some people do as you do, but I don't. I want every round in my handgun to perform just like the one before and after it. That's true if I'm carrying a .32acp, 9mm, 45 acp, or a 500 S&W.
In my tactical shotgun I do stagger the rounds though. Buckshot and slugs, but that's because I may be dealing with a goblin that is trying to hide behind a car door:eek:.

canebrake 11-16-2009 03:27 AM

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I like Corbon Pow`RBall +P, 165 GR, 1225 fps and use them as my double-tap in my carry mag. Fast and proven to penetrate windshields and will pass through auto side glass with little expansion. The remainder of the mag feeds seven Hornady TAP Personal Defense +P 230 Grain Jacketed Hollow Points. Iím comfortable with this set-up.

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RED 11-17-2009 05:18 PM

According to a gun lawyer
 
There is an attorney in KC MO that specializes in firearm and CCW cases. He strongly recommends that all your CCW rounds not only should be the same, but they should also be from the same BOX. Not only that, you should leave 4 - 6 rounds in the box and securely store the extras along with the sales receipt in your gun safe. Additionally you should never, ever, carry reloads. When the bad guy comes along and you are forced to use your safety device (never call it a "gun, piece, rod, gat, bullet launcher, or any such), your life is going to become very complicated, very quickly, and you will need every grain of evidence to be used for your defense.

This lawyer guy is for real and should, I believe, be listened to seriously. Those extra rounds in the safe can be used to aid in your defense to help recreate the exact details of the event and to demonstrate that you were forced to act in self defense.

If you need his name and phone # send me a PM.

Gojubrian 11-17-2009 09:24 PM

Why?

If ou can prove AOJ(ability,opportunity,jeopardy) then everthing else is irrelevant. If ou can't prove AOJ, you shouldn't have shot!

jps37033 11-18-2009 01:06 AM

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Originally Posted by RED (Post 187241)
There is an attorney in KC MO that specializes in firearm and CCW cases. He strongly recommends that all your CCW rounds not only should be the same, but they should also be from the same BOX. Not only that, you should leave 4 - 6 rounds in the box and securely store the extras along with the sales receipt in your gun safe. Additionally you should never, ever, carry reloads. When the bad guy comes along and you are forced to use your safety device (never call it a "gun, piece, rod, gat, bullet launcher, or any such), your life is going to become very complicated, very quickly, and you will need every grain of evidence to be used for your defense.

This lawyer guy is for real and should, I believe, be listened to seriously. Those extra rounds in the safe can be used to aid in your defense to help recreate the exact details of the event and to demonstrate that you were forced to act in self defense.

If you need his name and phone # send me a PM.

Thanks for the advice. I do see how it all is great tactics as I have heard that if you carry to protect yourself, you should also have an attorney already "on speed dial". Its good to have legal counsel when needed, but....

If I fill my mag with all of one type of ammo that does not do its job (or might not (penetration, expansion, etc), I might not be around to testify that I chose to stagger my mag for safety and to ensure that i cover all bases.

I think it also has a lot to do with where you live, your background, and what situation transpires that causes you to have to draw on someone (which you have no control over). I do control two of those; where I live (in the country), and my background (a good reputation with no blemishes). So, if SHTF out here, i have no worries of the police out here saying that s***head shouldnt have messed with you, and if it happens elsewhere, I will rely on my background, reputation, and attorney (and my staggered mag to ensure there is only one to testify). But thats just me......

Flint Rock 11-18-2009 01:05 PM

I would be interested to read a [U]documented[U] case of having staggered rounds in a handgun having a vital or needed benefit. I can see a benefit in some military and tactical situations using long guns (i.e., AP, ball, incendiary), but in a civilian defensive situation I have never read of a documented need for staggered rounds. I am more of the opinion that this "need" is more urban legend than fact.

JonM 11-18-2009 04:14 PM

i carry 230grn FMJ worked well on german, japanese, korean, vietnamese, and iraqi soldiers over the last 100 years. im not gonna buck tradition. my shotgun is 12ga buckshot. my SR556 has 3 magazines of 55grn FMJ ready to go.

the thing that worries me isnt the finding of evidence of right of self protection and my use of lethal force as i am not going to fire on someone unless that threat exists. its the personal lawsuits afterwards as the criminal's relatives sue trying to punish me for not letting a slimeball take my life.

robocop10mm 11-24-2009 10:12 PM

If you don't trust the 147 JHP, why do you carry it at all? If you do not trust the 115 FMJ, why do you carry it at all?

Find a load that does most things well. For me in 9mm that is the Gold Dot 124 gr. +p. In .40 that is the Gold Dot 180 gr. In the .45 it is the Gold Dot 230 gr. in the 10mm that is the Double Tap 180 gr Gold Dot. Sensing a pattern here?

If you anticipate dealing with a heavily clothed (winter) or heavy bodied person and you are not sure a ___ load in 9mm will be sufficient, carry a larger caliber or practice until you are deadly accurate.

Bullets don't stop bad guys, well placed bullets stop bad guys.

RCHanlin 11-25-2009 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by JonM (Post 187710)
i carry 230grn FMJ worked well on german, japanese, korean, vietnamese, and iraqi soldiers over the last 100 years. im not gonna buck tradition. my shotgun is 12ga buckshot. my SR556 has 3 magazines of 55grn FMJ ready to go.

the thing that worries me isnt the finding of evidence of right of self protection and my use of lethal force as i am not going to fire on someone unless that threat exists. its the personal lawsuits afterwards as the criminal's relatives sue trying to punish me for not letting a slimeball take my life.


What he said... ;) I've got Black Talons in my 1911 home defense mags. I understand we no longer live in the Wild West but any SOB comes into my house uninvited is a dead SOB.


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