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Old 05-27-2014, 02:01 PM   #1
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For self defense mags, I've heard folks talk of alternating individual rounds between self defense rounds and round tip rounds within the same mag. I am wondering... (1) What your thoughts are on this? and (2) For those who have actually tried it (on a target of course), what difference did it make in your shooting?


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Different bullets weights will affect POI.

If the bullets weights are the same, the POI should be close.

I don't understand why one would do that (alternating). If I have to pull out the firearm for SD, then I want SD.
If I am on the range, I would want to see where my SD ammo hits, so I would shoot some, but I would be using mainly target ammo on the range.

So you could believe that I do not alternate.

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For self defense mags, I've heard folks talk of alternating individual rounds between self defense rounds and round tip rounds within the same mag. I am wondering... (1) What your thoughts are on this? and (2) For those who have actually tried it (on a target of course), what difference did it make in your shooting?

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1) Seems like an answer to a question I've never asked. If for some reason one is using a caliber with expansion issues, a HP failing to expand will act much the same as a RN. Why complicate things with oddball loadouts? Choose a caliber of adequate performance using ammo designed for the task at hand.
2) Haven't thought to try it. Assuming one chooses similar performing loads of matching weights, the difference should be minimal for POI and recoil, at least at typical SD ranges. CCI's Lawman brand produces both practice ammo and HP ammo with similar performance and consistency in mind.
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I see zero advantage -----a couple of disadvantages--

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your right, it has been talked about by folks before. most of the time the discussion ends with more negatives than positives. such as, some pistols may not load the next round properly, you cant be sure of what round is which while firing in a defensive situatuon. if you decide its what you want to do all i can say is be sure to practice and make sure your firearm, and ammo combination work reliably before needing it.

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i have heard some people do this and their reasoning is logical, but personally i see it having a disadvantage for a couple of reasons.

POI can change between different types of ammo.

could cause possible feeding or ejection issues.

better suggestion IMO, would be to carry two mags loaded with two different types of ammo, rather that alternating the ammo in one mag.

it seems it would be much better to drop a mag and go to a different mag with another type of ammo.

these are just my thoughts an opinions and not based on any real proof.

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I've seen people mention it here in regards to 32acp and 380acp defensive handguns. The problem is that 32 hp lacks penetration, while fmj can still over penetrate. Same is true about 380.

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I used to alternate JHP and FMJ in my .380 until I found and then purchased several boxes of FIOCCHI EXTREMA JHP with the Hornady XTP bullet. Now, I carry two mags stuffed with the EXTREMAS.

Here's why: https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=EDsPgyhI7To

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I alternate ammo in m 9mm. Thee 9mm is pretty lame. If shoot an attacker twice I need more penetration because the next shots are going into his his pelvis or legs. I am not so cocky to think I can shoot someone in the head in a life or death situation but I can shoot his lower body that is a much larger target. FMJ ammo will penetrate and break larger bones that might stop a HP bullet. I am going to have a mixture of ammo when I am shooting in the lower body.

I am not going to be concerned with over penetration. Unlike NYPD I passed hunters safety. I am not going to shoot into a crowd.

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For self defense mags, I've heard folks talk of alternating individual rounds between self defense rounds and round tip rounds within the same mag. I am wondering... (1) What your thoughts are on this? and (2) For those who have actually tried it (on a target of course), what difference did it make in your shooting?
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Back in the day, late 60's - early 70's, we taught about the Hungarian stacked magazine, named after the Hungarian method of alternating layers of potatoes then ham and other ingredients or alternating layers of fillings between pancakes. The idea, then as now, was to alternate different styles of bullets in the ammo in the magazine to increase the probability of getting tactical hits - full metal jackets for penetration through car doors or other partial cover/concealment then "flying ashtrays" (HP's) for devastating wound cavities in flesh. Arguments arose about which to start in the chamber as the first round. Different camps supported FMJ's first vs. HP's first. Back then there wasn't much variety in ammo choices and the first big, open-point HP's were making their debuts. At self-defensive ranges, the POI's probably aren't going to be so different as to rule out the Hungarian stack, but the choice of modern bullet technology makes it almost a moot point. There are several incredible SD rounds now that penetrate as well as a FMJ and expand impressively, Winchester's Bonded PDX-1's and Hornady's Critical Defense/Duty's & Speer Gold Dot's come to mind, among others. I, too, was caught up in the Hungarian stack for a while, but quickly lost interest as I wanted uniformity in my ammo and knowing exactly where the next round would hit if I needed to and had the time to be ultra-accurate. As Kenny Hackathorn & I always said, "you can't count during a gunfight," so you could never be sure what round was next.
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