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Old 07-24-2013, 01:32 PM   #91
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380 jhps dont expand in flesh and blood targets. Why care about what they do in water or jello? Since they don't expand, they penetrate adquately, but they lack power. With 9mm availalbe at 5.5"x4" and 13 ozs, no way I'd ever settle for a 380!. I can have 3x the stopping power, with a gun that's 3/4" shorter and 5 ozs lighter than a steel .38 snub (which millions have ccw'd in a front pants pocket, for decades).

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I have seen videos where .380 Hornady Critical Defense got 11 inches of penetration in ballistic gel "after" going thru 4 layers of denim. How much better penetration you want. Corbon Pwrball ammo in .380 also seems to do well. And I would also like to say... .380 HP What's the point? Well there is no point because it is HP.
gelatin isnt flesh and bone vital organs of a goblin are often protected by bones. your more likely to hit a bone than getting a clean through and through.

the 380 is already marginal to start with add in having to go through a solid like a bone after hitting a stolen wallet or aunt may's purse that just got snatched and the HP is in real trouble after that bleed off of energy.

thats why you use a FMJ in something like 25acp 32 auto 380 acp.

goblins arent made of gelatin they are made of muscle blood body fluids and bones.

the 357 sig is a huge penetrator and will get up to 18" in ballistic gel but will often (almost always) stay in the goblin...

gelatin is NOT a 1 for 1 corralation to human tissue but is often confused as such. what ballistic gel tests do is give us a known quantity in which to compaire apples to apples in known fixed medium. just because a round will go 11 or 14 or 18 inches in gel DOES not mean it will perform that way in a goblin. those same round will often only go 5-6 inches in a real living breathing goblin bent on raping your wife.

now... what happens if the goblin is fighiting you and you have to also shoot through his arm bones all of a suddon you now have to go through forearm bicep before you get to the rib cage...

thats why you use fmj in a 380.
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Fmj or jhp, neither would feel good....

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I still like the ball- hollow approach. I like the critical defense round, but am suspicious of that flex tip catching on the feed ramp. It happened once in my LC9 and that was enough to pull it out of the mix. I still use this ammo in my compact & full size guns. If Federal ever makes Guard Dog in 380, this would fit nicely in the ball-hollow approach.

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Fmj or jhp, neither would feel good....
I agree!! But the one that has the best chance to fire flawlessly is probably the best choice(FMj)
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The 380 fmj will go through 20" of ballistic gel but no bones. Most of the HP rounds will only penetrate 8"-10". The XPT and the Fiocchi HP (they load both) give the most penetration at 10"-14" by sacrificing explosive expansion. They expand but not as much as the other HP's. The FBI criteria of 12" does not mean that the bullet will penetrate 12" in a person and was never intended to mean that.

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I agree!! But the one that has the best chance to fire flawlessly is probably the best choice(FMj)
I remember seeing expanding fmj, i dont remember the caliber or manufacturer though. Anyone have info on this?

Also, not everyone is the same density. Some may be more dense than ballistic jello, some may be less.
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Here's my theory what do you guys think 1 chambered HP, 2 fmj, then HP, fmj etc. so basically you know the first HP will go boom then more than likely next two fmj will too, and so on.

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Here's my theory what do you guys think 1 chambered HP, 2 fmj, then HP, fmj etc. so basically you know the first HP will go boom then more than likely next two fmj will too, and so on.
I do like the first HP chambered!! After that it has to be FMJ for accurate feeding in my little Bug!!
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I will not use a .380 bug gun. If I want a pocket pistol I'll use a Kel Tec P-32 .32 acp because it has less recoil and at close range will do the job. I'd load it with FMJ.
My Bersa Thunder .380 works very well with HP's so I use them.

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