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Old 04-11-2014, 08:02 AM   #41
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Look guys. This debate of stopping power in the case of a 9mm VS 45 ACP is understandable. But 45 vs .357? Come on now. A bullet is a bullet when you get into that caliber of range... It doesn't matter how big of a caliber you got, without good shot placement, might as well hit them with a .22
Shot placement does not end with piercing the skin. Shot placement is three dimensional, and penetration is a must. Sure, you have to get the round in a vital area, but if it doesn't go deep enough you will not win. Ironically, a .22 to the brain or high spinal cord is often just as effective as a .44 magnum in stopping the encounter.

Many people look at gel tests and see that their self defense choice will penetrate 12 inches and for some reason that defies logic, they are happy with that. According to the FBI, twelve inches is the absolute minimum acceptable penetration in gel testing, and the round must do it consistently before it is deemed even marginally acceptable.

When we choose a self defense round should we consider the barrier testing done by the FBI? That's a tough one. If you live in an area where road rage is common you might want to take a long look at windshield penetration testing. The law does consider a car a deadly weapon, and if someone is trying to run you down deadly force may be a necessary option. You know where you drive, you know how you drive, and you know how frequently you manage to tick off other drivers. Choose accordingly.
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There is not magic bullet (or caliber) that will guarantee a one-shot stop.
Some come close, but there is no guarantee.

In trying to stop a confrontation, placement plays an important part. A consistent hit with a .22lr is better than a consistent miss with a .357 magnum or .45 ACP.

If the OP had asked with caliber has more FPE, there would not be so much discussion.
To ask which has more stopping power indicates someone who does not know much about either round.

Can FPE be directly connected to stopping power? No. A miss is a miss is a miss, no matter what the FPE is. FPE does affect felt recoil and item hit reaction.

Heavy and slow versus light and fast. That is a choice we would have to make individually.

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I have a new thread modding ccw you all helped soo much thx I got a g30s

Hey, thanks for getting us going on the .357 vrs 45acp debate. You'll have 4-days of range time under your belt before this thread devolves into punchlines.
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There are two elements nobody has addressed here.

1. Which one have you practiced with the most and feel most comfortable using?
2. Which one lets you have good shot placement?

How you practice is how you will respond under stressful conditions. If you can't hit anything with the most expensive of guns or the biggest bore guns, it doesn't do you any good to carry it. But one well placed round through a bad guy's head or through his central nervous system will stop their attack against you in most cases.

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Where I live reality is that if I'm involved in a sd shoot its highly likely to involve multiple attackers. I try and carry either my fnx tactical in 45acp 15+1 or my berreta m9a1 20+1.

When its not practical I step down to a xdm compact in 45 or a beretta inox compact in 9mm

I've always got a ruger lcp in my pocket.

A gun you shoot well and will actually carry, or can carry, trumps caliber and capacity.

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as that i have both, and shoot both quite well, i might carry the 357 in one hand and the 45 in the other!

i second Jon's comments and have long recommended the same. caliber and capacity mean nothing if you can't shoot it accurately.

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I found this while doing more research on .357 in general and thought it was pertinent:

American Handgunner, Nov/Dec 2012, pg. 75

"Today, the .357Sig is much like the 10mm and .41Magnum - appreciated more by the people who are seriously into shooting than by those who follow the herd. As the old Ford commercial said, "Ask the man who owns one." Regarding the .357 SIG, ask the man who has shot living things with it."

The people that I know that have been in shootings and the ones that are very critical about their handgun choices almost all carry .357Sig, and I couldn't figure out why the caliber wasn't as popular among the public in general. That paragraph describes it as well as any.

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Coonan classic 1911 .357

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Old 04-19-2014, 05:43 AM   #49
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Glock or any 10 round. 45acp would be the best option.

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Also anything less then 8 rounds would be pointless I think.

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