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Old 06-07-2014, 01:56 PM   #101
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It has already been proven the range many times. The best semi auto shooters only beat the revolver shooters by a few seconds in 18 shot strings.
Of course. What I mean is, you personally will have to demonstrate it to your opponent. Until then... Good luck.
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Of course. What I mean is, you personally will have to demonstrate it to your opponent. Until then... Good luck.
I was an instructor at our academy several years ago and one of the other instructors and I would shoot with the recruits when they shot the final qual course, BUT we would use our OLD wheel guns (M19 S&W). We would out shoot 75% of the recruits who were shooting the semi-autos. AND this would require us to reload on the 12 shot strings where they did not.
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The original post was regarding the Rug. SP101 357 Remington mag. Both calibers are my carry tools. Ruger 357 LCRct and XDs 45. I do have a speed loader for the 357 it doesn't work so well, but good enough. 45 at this time has the 7 rd. mag plus one in the pipe. That little snubby with the ct grips hurts. Change to Pachmayers not as much. Using the Crimson Trace grip load it with 75gr Magsafes, hand friendly, not a lot of penetration but does the job at least on goats, they are frangible.
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The original post was regarding the Rug. SP101 357 Smith & Wesson magnum. Both calibers are my carry tools. Ruger 357 LCRct and XDs 45. I do have a speed loader for the 357 it doesn't work so well, but good enough. 45 at this time has the 7 rd. mag plus one in the pipe. That little snubby with the ct grips hurts. Change to Pachmayers not as much. Using the Crimson Trace grip load it with 75gr Magsafes, hand friendly, not a lot of penetration but does the job at least on goats, they are frangible.
Fixed it for you.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.357_Mag
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I dont care what caliber it is and what terminal ballistics say , I dont want any of those rounds entering or exiting my body . Any well placed round regardless of caliber size can get the job done properly
Most recent statistics have LEOs shooting at less than 20% hit ratios in armed conflicts. High capacity magazines seem to give rise to the "spray and pray" mentality. That being said; all things being equal; I'd rather have a proven stopper than the most recent popular designer round. Rather than basing my opinion on; well opinion; I choose to heed the lessons learned in actual conflict and backed up by real statistics. Hopefully the bad guy I'm facing (if and when it happens) is carrying the latest wonder 9 and has it cocked sideways in grand movie fashion and I'll survive.
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"Smith & Wesson Model M&P R8 Revolver 170292, 357 Remington Mag, 5 in BBL, Sngl / Dbl, Rubber Grips, Mt Blk Finish, 8 Rds" I don't know how it came to be. My first revolver was 357 Colt SAA.
It wasn't that easy to find. Hinterlands website I figured I'd post a Smith. Elmer Keith and S&W developed that round. Must have sold it.
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Both of those calibers, especially the .357 in a small revolver, are going to recoil a lot and make it difficult to hit anything in fast rapid fire at any distance beyond 10 feet. With a smaller caliber you can stretch that distance out a bit if you basically empty your gun in a fight. Two hits with a 9mm or .38 is better than one hit of a .45 or .357 any day of the week. Not saying that .45 and .357 aren't great calibers, they just take more practice and slowing down between shots.
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The 357 wins hands down, unless you put corbon 165 gr loads in the .45. Then it's close, and the .45 will enable you to get repeat hits twice as fast, plus it's a lot more concealable, in the alloy framed, compact versions.
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Where the 357 mag shines is shooting through barriers. The 357 mag was created for police officers who frequently needed to shoot through cars and other barriers. I keep a 357 mag single action in my recliner. I know the 357 will penetrate my steel door and stop a goblin before he can get in the house. The 357 will at least buy enough time to get a shotgun that will end the ordeal quickly.
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Where the 357 mag shines is shooting through barriers. The 357 mag was created for police officers who frequently needed to shoot through cars and other barriers. I keep a 357 mag single action in my recliner. I know the 357 will penetrate my steel door and stop a goblin before he can get in the house. The 357 will at least buy enough time to get a shotgun that will end the ordeal quickly.
shooting through a door without knowing exactly what's on the other side is a very poor choice.

it's not smart or safe and could get you into serious legal trouble if you happened to shoot the wrong person.

isn't one of the rules of safe shooting knowing what your target is?
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