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Old 01-24-2012, 07:05 AM   #11
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I have never kept my .22 next to my bed at night. I reserve that spot for my .45. If for some reason I was in a position where I could only get to a .22, it would be better than no gun, but it wouldn't be my first caliber choice for self defense. I would be no match for an intruder with my fists so I will take all the advantage I can get.

With that said, my humble opinion is that for a self defense handgun, people should get the highest caliber they are able to shoot well and comfortably. So if a .22 is all someone can shoot well, by all means he or she should get one.

Is your friend afraid because he has shot higher calibers and hated it or afraid because he anticipates unpleasant recoil?

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The physical force of recoil is easily managed with proper grip and stance. The psychological aspects from the noise and flash may be harder to manage, depending on the individual. The .22 LR has very little recoil, but significant noise and flash out of a handgun. .38's out of a .357 Mag revolver are a good idea. Ball and dummy practice from that same revolver is very good also.

While teaching a revolver class many years ago I had a student who was all over the place in the target (if on the target at all). He was closing his eyes as he pulled the trigger. I had him load one round and fire. As soon as the gun went off, I jumped in and very dramatically took the gun and asked if he was hurt. I asked if his ears hurt. I again asked if he needed medical attention, "that looked painful are you sure you are OK?". He assured me he was OK. I replied that if the gun did not hurt him he needed to man up and shoot the damn gun. His patterns became groups.

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Ball and dummy practice from that same revolver is very good also.
Explain "ball and dummy practice". Please.
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Put less than a full cylinder full in the gun, slowly squeeze the trigger. If it does not go bang, what does the muzzle do? If the shooter has flinching issues, the muzzle will go crazy when the gun go click.

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OK. Never heard it called "ball and dummy practice." It's good practice though.

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On the .22 caliber question:

Would you be willing to defend yourself against a 100# hog or a 150# dog using a .22?
And that is expected to defend you against a 200# bad guy?

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How many of you pulled the trigger on a 22lr rimfire and got click? The 22 make a poor SD gun for that reason. In my range "Dud Bucket" you will find at least 5 rounds of 22 no centerfire rounds. John Browing's 25acp was designed for reliable replacement for the 22 rimfire.

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The use of the .25 ACP allows for a very compact lightweight gun, but the cartridge is relatively short ranged and low powered, putting it in the same class as the .22 LR rimfire cartridge but at a significantly higher price point. Although the .22 is slightly more powerful when fired from longer rifle barrels, the .25 ACP is viewed by some as a better choice for personal defense in handguns due to its inherently more reliable centerfire case design.[1]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.25_ACP

Centerfire rounds are just more reliable.

Two sounds that gun owners fear: A click when it should of been a bang, and a bang when it should of been a click.
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I guess a .22 beats harsh language and screams. I think I would back a .22 up with pepper spray and a tazer.

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Of course having a .22LR would better than nothing at all for defense but if I am able to choose my weapon for protection there is no way I would opt for a .22LR handgun. If I ever think I might be in harm's way or encounter a dangerous situation I will be packing my .45 acp, .357 mag or .44 mag. The .44 mag kicks like a mule in my opinion but I shot it and learned how to manage the recoil. We are talking about packing a gun for self defense, which usually means protecting one's well-being or life or that of loved ones. If able to choose a weapon why not go with one that for various reasons is known to be effective?

Being familiar and proficient with a firearm should always be the first consideration. Simply buying a firearm, any firearm, and calling it good is not wise.

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A 9mm in a double stack works great for recoil. I would suggest a cz75 or xdm 4.5 inch 9mm both are superb very low felt recoil handguns. Fullsize are harder to conceal but doable. The smaller the gun the more unpleasent it is to shoot regardless of caliber. A small palm sized 22lr is more unpleasent than a full size 9mm doublestack.

Heavier guns also have more reduced felt recoil.

I would strongly suggest that your friend take a new shooter course that has a range time aspect to it. The worst thing is to buy a gun then spend the next decade doing it wrong. Thats how you end up on youtube with a hole in your leg.

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