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Old 12-19-2012, 04:16 PM   #41
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A little off topic, but there was a ccw face to face with the Oregon mall shooter. Look it up now on join 6 news.

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Every county, state, and federal office/building/school should have some type of security in place that will help alleviate instances such as these from ever hapening again. I am a state employee, and after 9-11 they secured every state building by having every state employee to swipe a placard in order to gain entrance to a building, and they installed video cameras everywhere including the parking garage. I would say the biggest deterent would be having security guards placed at every school will go along way to keep our children safe.

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We also have some highly trained Vets. Who could do the job of protection.

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We also have some highly trained Vets. Who could do the job of protection.
In most school districts the problem is money. They can barely pay the teachers and staff. (However, they can always come up with a few $million for a new swimming pool/nautatorium, or a new basketball building). The 15 schools where I live have a grand total of 14 sheriff deputies who spend part of their time at the schools, mostly so they can write tickets for people who speed thru the school zone. So, it's also a matter of priorities. If they have to choose between keeping the kids safe or having a winning football, swimming, baseball, or basketball team, their choice is already made.
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I don't think the issue is teachers being stable and shooting kids is the issue. The bigger issue is that your putting more guns into schools that at one point or another could be accessible to angry and bullied kids in a moment of anger. A 300 lbs 6 foot 5 kid that wants to get that gun from his teacher WILL get that gun from his teacher. I think an armed security guard outside the classroom patrolling the grounds or stationed at the main entrance is a better and safer move for all parties. Just my thoughts.
So you're saying that a teacher, carrying concealed, who no one knows is carrying, will be overpowered and have her weapon taken. Yet an armed security guard, in uniform, who everyone knows is carrying, can't be overpowered?

The beauty of CCW is that no one knows who's packing.
An armed guard standing outside, smoking a butt... Yeah, that'll work until a psycho realizes he can drop him from the bushes, 50 yards away with a deer rifle, then walk up to the school unchalkenged
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http://www.koinlocal6.com/news/local/story/Armed-man-faced-Clackamas-shooter-didnt-shoot/VWkeHrBOfk-Wu7OcAH0RqQ.cspx

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"All I heard was shots and I couldn't confirm it, I didn't know if there was a second shooter," Meli said. "I didn't want to shoot him, go over to try to secure his weapon and get hit by a different shooter I didn't see."

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He was more worried about getting hit by a second, nonexistant shooter than he was concerned about the bystanders.

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Back in the days of my youth, a person like the CT shooter would have been put into an institution to be cared for and properly educated in accordance with their needs and then released back to the parents or guardian at the appropriate time. They were state funded institutions, so there was no cost to the parent. I believe that if the CT shooter had been taken care of in the afore mentioned manner, we might not be having this conversation.

One more thing, I am sick and tired of folks blaming video game and movies as an additional cause for instances like this. I play them and watch them, my kids played and watched them as I allowed them to do, when they were the appropriate age and now they are all well functioning members of society. Three of them are in the Military and one is a house wife. So it is not the games or movies that lead to this and other situations like this. the responsibility falls on the parent or guardian. Just my opinion here.

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"All I heard was shots and I couldn't confirm it, I didn't know if there was a second shooter," Meli said. "I didn't want to shoot him, go over to try to secure his weapon and get hit by a different shooter I didn't see."

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He was more worried about getting hit by a second, nonexistant shooter than he was concerned about the bystanders.
While I agree with that sentiment somewhat. It also serves to dispel the MYTH the anti gun morons claim, that people will rush in, guns blazing, mow down innocents and make a bad situation worse.

We have a definite example of a CCW keeping a calm head, thinking analytically and responding the best he deemed necessary, considering events.
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So you're saying that a teacher, carrying concealed, who no one knows is carrying, will be overpowered and have her weapon taken. Yet an armed security guard, in uniform, who everyone knows is carrying, can't be overpowered?

The beauty of CCW is that no one knows who's packing.
An armed guard standing outside, smoking a butt... Yeah, that'll work until a psycho realizes he can drop him from the bushes, 50 yards away with a deer rifle, then walk up to the school unchalkenged
Exactly! the school in Texas, and any school who follows suit, does not tell you WHICH teachers are carrying, nor do they tell you how MANY teachers are carrying. They had the superintendent on the national news last night, and he said that he will not say who or how many teachers have permission to carry concealed, simply that they allow it, and that there are teachers who do.

so that 6 foot, 250 lb jerkface who wants to get physical with a teacher, isn't going to know WHICH teachers are packing.
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